Can we please Nerf AP builds? They’re all I see & it’s really annoying that someone can click 1 button & remove half my health w/ out having to aim anything. AP DVA rocket? It only took 1 rocket to remove half of my health, and she spews MANY of those in under a second. AP Ashe? Her dynamite basically can one shot if I don’t get an instant heal, and then she gains her bob way too quickly cuz of it. AP Sold rocket? Actual one shot. There’s more instances of this, but omg- I am TIRED of seeing these people use their crutch AP build to win. And I KNOW they’re not good cuz when it comes to actually having to out-aim they lose every time. I can deal with possibly 1 or so AP build at a time- and when it comes to supports honestly other than Juno them building AP isn’t much of an issue for me, but otherwise it’s so annoying to see it, all. the. dang. time.
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I mean, yeah, it does feel kind of ridiculous. I’ve been playing d.va in stadium with full ap build focused on missiles and I just melt everyone but the tank. Sigma demechs d.va with an accretion and one primary fire. I feel like AP builds need to be toned down a bit but then I worry about characters like d.va who felt like an absolute throw pick last season. Maybe just scale it back a little bit.
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So long as you don’t nerf Lucio’s AP build. It’s literally his only truly viable build due to how his kit works. Everything except for primary fire works off of AP. Boop, heals, and beat are all AP.
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What is an AP build? Apologies I dont play Stadium…
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They should lower the amount of AP some of the core items give and offer some cooldown reduction in return. Less burst, more consistent damage.
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Do the same to weapon power builds. The most busted dps builds (and some tank builds) are just stacking WP.
I’ve spent the last 2 seasons playing mostly Ashe and I can tell you that yes, whilst her AP build can be oppressive, it can be just as easily shut down by a stacked WP Cass, Freja or Ashe from across the map!
That’s what I like about stadium though. There are normally solutions and different paths you can take to dealing with enemy builds (apart from Genji - unless you are a Genji god, he gets shut down pretty easily).
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The only AP builds that are a problem are
Ashe (most annoying of them all, especially if your team doesnt know the effect res perk)
Soldier (One shot rockets after 2nd round)
D.va (her missile build melts every 6 seconds)
Every other hero’s AP build is fine, Rein/sigs projectiles are slow and dodgeable, Juno/Junk have dmg falloff, if youre caught by Orisa/JQ its because you got too close etc. Playing against the offenders definitely feel like there’s nothing you can do, theres hardly any counterplay against getting one shot
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AP stands for Ability Power.
Items buff different parts of the kits. Ability power is one of them.
There is also AD, which is attack damage. It mainly buffs the primary/secondary fire. It’s similar to attack speed, which also buffs the main weapon
And there are the survivability items.
These terms come from the MOBA world.
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AP is more fun though. If I wanted to shoot with primary I could go play the entire rest of the game. It’s more fun to use ap builds than weapon builds. I don’t see a valid reason to nerf them just because you want the game to revolve around primary fire only. That sounds like a fast way to destroy this mode to me.
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If you want AP builds blanket nerfed, you’re completely missing the point of Stadium. Stadium is for finding different ways to play and finding ways to counter them.
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I agree, which is why they were my main point to them. So possibly not nerfing ALL AP builds, but specifically those 3.
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Make it that every damage point after the first 50 base damage of an ability damage instance receives half as much ability power. Tweak the numbers a bit but point is burst damage is too high, at least in midgame
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Sure, she CAN be shut down, IF your team plays into those. The issue is the fact that I see those AP builds ALL the time. Also, not all maps cater to what hero’s you’ve picked & what you’re building. There are normally solutions to MOST things in Stadium, which is what I like about it as well- but it’s not very fun to run into the same thing, over & over & over. I understand what you’re saying, there will always be counterplay, but it’s not fun to be forced into a play becz the other team chose the most used build every time.
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I agree that AP is more fun, but the only reason I think AP is more fun is because I can do ridiculous things, such as an instant one shot because I decided to press my one E button. I can agree with OP here, as AP builds are the only thing I’ve been seeing now a days. Although I don’t think OP meant that they only want a Primary Fire Stadium, I believe they’re just tired of seeing the same AP crutch build over and over. Just as you said, that you could simply play the entire rest of the game, it isn’t very fun for OP to be forced to play certain sets in order to constantly counter a build that stacks very easily with little to no skill expression when being used. This is coming from an AP Sold who does use the one shot AP rocket build.
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I totally get what you’re saying. Unfortunately until team 4 make some other builds more viable then this is what we’ll get: rocket soldier, missile Dva, weapon Cass, infinite bubble Zarya, tanky orisa etc… I do think there’s some heroes with a few viable builds (even amongst the ones I’ve just named) but some are just too easy to get value out of for the strength they offer.
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Should I have specified in my comment more? Yes, 100%. I think the main offenders of the AP build would be primarily DVA, Ashe, and Soldier. Therefore, I no longer think that ALL AP should be nerfed- However, you can’t really find “different ways to play & counter” when you’re forced into said counter build EVERY. TIME. I’ve run into the same thing, 10x over. It gets very tiring when I’d LOVE to try out fun things, only to be instantly shut down because someone decided that pressing one button was more fun. What makes it worse is when me & said person DO end up 1v1ing I win every time, becz they’re so stuck on needing that instant delete button. I’m not “missing the point of stadium”, I’m just exhausted of being forced into a bubble when, as you mentioned- Stadium is there to build and run new & fun things.
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Counter build?
Just equip lower ability damage with shield HP as a defense measure and stop stacking Armor. Armor does nothing vs AP damage.
“Oh, but everyone has Weapon damage so I need armor!”
Guess you have to weight what’s more important to you: Offense vs Defense and build/play accordingly and suffer the consequences of your decision.
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I think it’s funny when people argue “just counter build” every time. Buddy, I am tired of being forced into a play when the whole point of stadium is to have fun building random things. Why am I being forced into an oppressive play just becz someone chose the most used AP build bcz it works way too well for the “effort” that’s put in. Not to mention, people seem to forget that countering also includes TEAMMATES. Just becz I personally decide to counter, if my team doesn’t & I’m the last one standing, it doesn’t change much.
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Sounds like you’ll enjoy QP version of Stadium when it comes out in season 18!
I’m not unsympathetic at all to what you’re saying - there are some builds that are the same in nearly every game but that’s because they are meta and it’s meant to be a competitive mode. I don’t know if you’re blaming players for taking this route?Naturally, people will pick what’s strong and easy to get value out of.
It’s on Team 4 to tone down AP if they think they need to but I’m not sure they will.
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