I mean… Gengu being able to press E and counter Mc Cree is fine but others negating kills to the enemy Gengu in the same way isn’t.
what?? how does DEFLECT counter mcree??
But Genji (this is a guess, so take it with a pinch of salt) is mainly used as a 2Sniper counter. While GOATs is the main meta ATM, 2Sniper comps are around in comp (not to the extent of GOATs, but still). I’m not saying everyone only picks him to win (because he is VERY fun. That’s why I picked him up as a QP main), but most people who go into comp (especially at higher ranks) are playing to win, but gold and below, I’d wager a good 50% of people pick characters they think are fun.
(Sarcastically) Deflect his shots, his flash (assuming it hits the blade), and McCree’s dead eye. It’s so easy.
The goal of a game is to have fun first and foremost, winning is merely a secondary objective. If you do not have fun, you don’t enjoy the game, which is why people are leaving right now, despite having some of the highest ranks in the game.
Until you hit the competitive Esports scene and are paid to win, your primary objective above all else is to have fun.
It wasn’t really Genji alone. Dive overall strongly counters double sniper due to the very nature of the composition [6 heroes diving 1 target and snowballing].
Genji deals with snipers pretty decently, but he alone can’t deal with the composition. If there’s only 1 hero you can pick to counter snipers, it’d probably be Dva or Winston.
Heroes like genji who need to get next to the enemy to kill them with blade do take a bigger hit than someone like pharah, or dva, or junkrat. Since genji is there right next to the enemy, pharah too for some extent but not as much, as genji is literally in their face and junk and dva can just hide when they ult
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I would disagree strongly with that, because comp is what you play to be rewarded with winning (hence the CP). All the other modes are for fun though. With most modes, yes, winning is the primary, but it’s not called “competitive” because winning is secondary. As for your second point, you are right, and I should have specified that Genji alone isn’t gonna counter 2S.
Let me propose a counter-argument then.
I’m sure you’ve heard of the expression “Go for the job you love, not the one that pays the most” correct?
This applies to overwatch, most people want to play the heroes they love, regardless of the scene [Unless you are PAID to win]. They love to play the heroes they find fun, not the one that will win the most matches, which is why we have Symm one tricks, they know that hero isn’t the most optimal but they play her because they love the hero and find her fun.
Mercy’s competitive pickrate is a fairly decent notch above Genjis, sometimes on par with Genji. I’m sure you’ve seen the Mercy Raids and all the random threads about “MERCY IS UNIMPACTFUL” and the like, so I’m pretty sure they don’t play that hero because they want to win, otherwise they’re better off going Moira or Brigitte.
Fun plays a MASSIVE factor in a heroe’s pickrate, regardless of gamemode. Unless winning games literally means a cash prize, you’re going to do what you want.
Right, I get your point, but my point still holds strong. People playing comp are usually (can’t emphasize that enough) playing to win. I don’t doubt some people play to have fun, but I believe most people are playing competitive to win, and fun for them is a secondary. If people were playing characters they thought were fun in comp, I assure you Mercy would be lower, and characters like Genji (in terms of fun) would be higher than they already are, but that’s not the way this is. Rein, Ana, Lucio, and all the other GOATs associated heroes are at the top because they’re good right now, and Genji is in the top 10. Again, I’m certain some people are playing Genji in comp because he’s fun, but not most people.
That’s due to the composition being an “end all, be all” to a losing game when played correctly, it’s the best way to win the game, that’s where the people playing to win come from. Metagame is for those who are playing the heroes because they are in the best possible composition to guarantee them a win.
You can play to win and play to have fun at the same time, you pick said hero because you love to play said hero and try your best because you do want to win the game. You don’t play the hero solely because they’re the best, unless it’s the meta, where the people who solely want to win will usually go to.
Torbjorn players certainly love the hero, and he definitely isn’t all too good, but they do try their hardest to win.
Doing what you love also makes you want to try harder than doing something you hate. It’s natural that whatever you love doing gives you more energy to do said thing.
Yes, but in a mode such as (I can’t stress this word enough) competitive, winning is probably going to take precedence over having fun (the reverse is true for QP, and the other modes).
Multiple people have openly stated that winning just doesn’t feel all that good any more, it just feels like an “oh good, I won, my SR is safe for now.” rather than a “WOAH THAT WAS AN AWESOME WIN, I WANT TO PLAY AGAIN!”.
The overall objective of the game is to have fun, if you aren’t having fun, you won’t play the game. If winning was all it took to keep people playing the game, then GOATS would take much more precedence over any hero choice than it already does. People are leaving the game [Including popular figureheads like TimtheTatMan, Alucard, xQc etc.] because they aren’t having fun with it, and they were at the highest level of competitive play. They certainly have to win more than they lost to climb.
Now if winning was what kept the energy flowing, they wouldn’t have quit, since they have to win more than they lose to maintain their rank and fight decay.
Winning plays some factor, but that’s why meta exists, it’s for those who play for the sake of winning and only play a hero for their power.
Regardless of what the mode is, unless you are being given a paycheck to put food on the table, you want to play the game to have fun. If you don’t have fun, there’s no point to the game at all. No matter if Overwatch has a Competitive ladder mode, it is and will always be a game at it’s core.
Right, but in reverse, they, and I’m pretty sure anyone, gets pissed if their SR drops too low. And fun isn’t the only thing driving people away. They are other game such as Fortnite, Apex Legends, and even Anthem that are pulling in former OW players, and due to their surge in popularity, streamers are finding it more successful to play those games rather than OW. There’s also the disarray of Blizzard right now, and the questionable choices they’ve made recently. Yes, people will leave a game if they don’t have fun, but there are other factors.
Fun is the biggest factor in wether a game is popular or played at all.
That’s because they are in general more fun, they don’t have the same frustrations in daily play regardless of the outcome of a match [bad metas, CC etc.] , and there literally is no meta in those games, everything is good [except for the Mozambique…].
They have left to those games because they are tired of trying to have fun in overwatch but either:
A- They are being forced to play an incredibly restricted meta that they don’t enjoy to win, to which if winning games could keep people playing, meta would surely solve.
B- Face things like Throwers and Smurfs constantly and consistently have to fight frustrating mechanics
Those people are leaving this game, because the games in question are more fun.
I’m not saying fun is the ONLY factor, but fun is the biggest and most important factor when it comes to playing games in general. Only in competitive Esports does winning hold any precedence over fun.
(This really doesn’t matter, but whether is spelled with an extra h, but that’s irrelevant)
Eh, H is silent, easy to miss. Probably bugs OCD though.
Yeah… Sorry. I’m overly aware to these kinds of things. It’s one of my flaws. It is really helpful in writing/english class though so… ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
Understandable.
But it makes me wonder, how much would I annoy the living hell out of you for forgetting to put the letter h in sentences that contain mostly Hs 
…Please don’t… 
As long as you say that we have come to an understanding that fun takes precedence over winning in video games regardless of mode. 
