People would be saying the same about Orisa if her and Sigma swapped release dates. It’s not any single Hero’s fault all it is, is strong synergy between heroes with barriers.
The only real solution for it outside barrier Tanks being stuck in such a badly nerfed state is a new role queue that divides the Tank role in two. It’s the goats problem all over again where synergy is too strong. And like Goats the devs are just throwing around nerfs and making heroes feel like crap.
I know plenty of people hate the idea of another role queue that splits the Tank role in two. But it’s the only way I see to break the double barrier synergy and allow all the Tanks to get much needed buffs. Maybe then the Tank population would grow back to what it once was or Tank mains who quit might come back.
It’s the fault of the newly released hero. The devs shouldn’t just release heroes without considering balance implications.
That’s ignoring that Sigma was released in an absolutely busted state too. He was extremely overpowered. The entire situation was an example of the devs inability to see obvious imbalance when it’s staring them in the face. They did exactly the same thing with reworked Mercy and release Brig.
She just needs an actual barrier back. Without it being at least 800hp barrier, she’s going to be trash forever. If buffing it degenerates into double barriers meta again, then let’s just instead delete Sigma. I mean no high tiered tank player has had fun playing the game ever since Sigma was released and he’s the major reason as to why we have such a deprived tank playerbase and why everyone hopped on to different roles or quit the game when he came out. Even if someone thinks he’s individually fun to play (like I do) he’s still nuclear waste level of toxic for the entire role, if not even for the other roles too
There’s way more to the comp than just the two shields. The tanks in question were loaded with self-defense measures that can kick in the moment their shields are down or the enemy Rush is able to get in CQB. (Fortify, Rock, Grasp, Halt) Not to mention the vast amount of peel that can be put into them with heroes like Moira/Lucio/Brigitte.
Not only was double shield good against hitscan, but also Rush and Dive to the point where the best way to beat it was to mirror it yourself. That’s why the community gets antsy whenever buffs to Orisa and Sigma come in like the Fortify buff or the Sigma Shield buff.
But Bastion, Reaper, and Sombra all have less than half of her pickrate… so now what?
Also having half of the heroes in a role doesn’t mean that all of their pickrates should be higher. If a hero is bad then a hero is bad. By your logic if Bastion were to be put in the tank role his pickrate would double, which just plain wouldn’t be the case.
The Rein hate and Mccree hate on this thread is real lol. You realize Orisa was meta for 17 months right? And Rein barely became meta like a few weeks ago? And he was only meta for 3 weeks last year
they nerfed orisa and left sigma pretty much the same.
In the sense that orisa now has a radically different flow of gameplay. The shield and halth nerfs changed greatly how you position and play with her, while sigma (who also got nerfs) still basically plays the same (and is still plenty strong actually)
She used to be fun to play, back when she had an ability called Halt that could pull people into pits, around corners, off high ground and into teammates’ ults.
In Blizzard’s patch notes they even said that “Orisa is perceived as underwhelming on the tank front recently”. Like we ourselves as players are the problem.
What they need to do is make dive, spam and brawl comps equally strong. Instead they have AoE burst heal cooldowns that make Winston way too hard to use, so when double shield (which gets countered by dive) was meta then people complained they had to mirror it. So then that was also deleted via dumpstering Orisa, and it’s brawl all day every day.
Yes the pro players should just get good and counterpick double shields
It’s not the shields themselves that are the problem, it really never was. The problem is the crazy high apm that both Sigma and Orisa can have make the value spikes in thier kit outragous unless each of their individual abilities are borderline unuseable. They have very high poke damage and mad synergy with eachother to boot. Whenever double shield is stong is becomes the meta, the best counter to the meta, the best ult comp, and the best burst value comp. For Orisa to be good she needs serious limitations on the number of actions she can perform at once and probably also ranged falloff.
They should change Brig and especially Bap so that a double shield comp is able to counterpick its own counter (dive) by abusing AoE heals. Because of this the double shield comp is not allowed to exist outside of high ladder and scrims.
Meta for 17 months? That’s a big lie. No she wasn’t my dude.
She was meta for about 3 Months as double shields with sigma from august-nov19 right as she was starting to fall off from meta with roadhog, mei, and reaper for about 5 months before. Why? We just had major nerfs to tanks. Mei was acting as psuedo goats extra wall separating rein from his team and reaper was deleting tanks thanks to the extra 50% life steal. Orisas kit was almost completely unchanged from when she was already the worst tank. Rein was still the better tank between the two. The problem was mei separating tank lines with her wall while reaper was winning through math on his regen. Besides dive orisa was the only tank that could hold off those two because of fortify.
I have zero faith they will ever fix my girl orisa. I doubt I’ll ever get to see my lovely bunker shield tank again the way I used to play and love her. She felt so good back then.
Now when I play her I just feel sad. She’s not fun to play. I’m a liability to my team. I receive more toxicity for playing her.
She used to be my most played tank but over this last year I’ve had to put her on the shelf and move on to other tanks. Now D.Va is my most played (yes I’m a masochist but at least D.Va is still fun to me.)
She died the day they over nerfed barriers in 2019. Her play style drastically changed, and they only people who could really still play her was in gm/masters with being reliant on sigma. They continued to nerf the crap out of her because of the precious OWL and 5%.
Now she doesn’t even exist there.
She exists I guess because she has and always will be the red headed step child tank that blizzard doesn’t give a crap about. She can take the place of the garbage tank so the other tanks don’t have to.
She is to me the saddest story of mistreatment in the tank role. A shining example of blizzard showing favoritism and hypocrisy as you put it.
What’s worse is there’s not enough orisa players or lovers to stick up for her. I’m sure most have all left, and I can’t really blame them.
The last buff she got isn’t the love she truly needs or deserves.
