You cant blame Mercy for Ashe’s overtuned butt lol
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You’re not wrong, but it’s funny because my SO lives for sniping in Battlefield and CoD, and hates sniping on Widow because he’s used to the more realistic gun mechanics.
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Same as orisa being nerf because of sigma, nothing you can do once the witch hunt starts.
It actually did. Quite a lot. Widow’s nerfs were basically nothing but I can tell you many things Ashe’s nerfs have amounted to.
Headshot + Melee is no longer a kill combo
Dmg boosted headshot has much more significant fall off
Headshot + hipfire no longer kills without double headshot past 20m due to falloff
Less ammo = way less up time, especially on Ashe who reloads 4 bullets per second. This means there’s more opportunity to dive her.
Spamming left click is now way more punishing due to less ammo, You can fire 3s worth of shots and then you have to sit there reloading.
Dynamite cooldown nerf affects ult charge as does the ADS nerf. Significantly over all.
As I have just shown you all of these nerfs make her way less self sufficient which is a good thing. But it does make her more reliant on Mercy to meet more thresholds.
Now Widow’s nerfs:
3 spots she can no longer one shot and has to move slight closer.
She has 3 less shots which compared to Ashe is nothing since her reload is a static 1.55
She actually got a primary fire ammo BUFF and while minor Ashe did not get this same treatment.
At this point I’m fairly certain the Snipers are just powerful due to:
- Roadhog
- Barriers are too weak
- Widow was barely touched.
- They also nerfed a bunch of other heros in the powercreep patch
This has been said about every hero ever.
Even Zenyatta.
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yes and next time it will be tracer
… only if there was something like viable shield tanks or something in this game… 
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Then why was ashe meta during brigitte meta when mercy players were told to swap to brigitte else they were throwing?
Why isn’t damageboost a problem for every single hero then?
The answer is obvious: damageboost is not the issue, ashe is.
Ashe is absolutely the best dps even without mercy.
Or did you forget brigitte meta? Where mercy players were told to go brigitte and she had 10% pickrate? It was only a month ago.
Ashe never needed mercy in ladder or owl.
And if it’s not ashe, it’s Widow. Or tracer. Or Hanzo. Who can dominate the meta when there’s no barriers, before we figured out doublebarrier could be used to stop doublesnipers.
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it´s not mercy, but the DMG creep that´s been happening…
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Ashe/DPS players say that Mercy is the problem and that her Damage Boost should be nerfed in general…
Mercy players say that Mercy is, umm… ““Underpowered”” and that Ashe is the problem…
Can we please decide already?
the forum is a collection of individuals with individual opinions
some mercy mains think she is overpowered, some think she is balanced, some think she is underpowered
there is no one decision for them to agree upon
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Yes that is what happens when 2 teammates work together vs working solo. 2 is more than 1.
Ashe was meta without Mercy literally no more than 3 weeks ago in GM and OWL where Mercy was among the least picked supports and Ashe had double her pickrate and winrate both.
Pharah isn’t an issue with or without a Mercy. She’s just annoying
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You’re like those who said, “nanoblade is too strong, nerf Ana!” Why must the support be blamed for OP dps.
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Analyze the broken part, fix the broken part, leave the part which hasnt change much lately like she is.
Ashe is broken, Mercy is fine. Fix Ashe, leave Mercy.
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People just got selective amnesia when they forget ashe has been meta for quite some time… and mercy only became meta after brigitte was nerfed down so hard she became one with earth’s core.
But I mean yea, lets keep blaming mercy and her damageboost beign the issue when it literally never has been an issue… till both of these characters became meta simultaneously after everything else was nerfed hard.
And damageboost is still inferior to discord!
It once again goes without saying that no community out there is a hive mind and that I was expressing nothing more than my personal experience in these Forums, according to which most Ashe/Mercy that I’ve come across games do actually share the above viewpoint.
If you don’t like my comment based on my personal experience and nothing more, you are free to ignore my reply.
Widow, Ashe, McCree, Hanzo can all be dove and killed easily. The problem is the lack of communication in this game to pull off a successful dive. People act like talking to each other will cause their fingers to fall off. Though the biggest problem after that is most likely your tanks aren’t going to change or they aren’t in chat to discuss the dive.
So mercy’s right click existed since the start of the game and wasn’t op, and does a very similar job to Zenyatta’s discord orb but she can only do one thing while he can both heal,discord and deal normal damage but somehow only when Ashe was introduced the ability is now considered op?
On the other hand you’ve got Ashe who can do up to 175 damage to multiple targets over time (which is harder to heal than burst), in a radius of 5 meters, she controls when it is explodes and damage boost enables her to do 1 shots.
Junkrat has the same ability but at least his damage is instant,he does less total damage and it is destroyable- Ashe can straight up cancel or at least reduce the whole enemy team healing similar to Ana’s nade but it can also cause the death of squishies without the proper healing.
So far this is the most powerful ability in term of total damage possible.
She can do up to 1050 damage with 1 dynamite and that’s only if we include the 6 enemy heroes. they might also have shields and objects like turrets or traps that will be destroyed.
Now add the fact shields are gone so noting really to block the ability and you’re left with one powerful hero…
You can’t even dive her properly because of her dynamite & coach gun that gives her free space
Ashe is a must pick without a Mercy regardless. I’ve been playing Ashe a ton and I can tell ya, he kit is waaaaay overtuned. I love her, but dynamite + BOB need nerfs.