Well, maybe there are some would-be GMs buried down there, fighting with the MM to get up. You don’t know, and you will never know, because you will just flame him and ask him to “get better”.
It doesn’t even have to be GMs. It can be a player trapped in Gold, trying to get to Diamond.
I’m no expert….but if a top ranked player loses 70% of their games….I’m pretty sure they no longer a top ranked player…
Like I’m plat….I’m pretty sure I drop to gold or silver under those curcumstances
Well, Wrona had team mates and opponents. That is quite similar to Overwatch.
There was an issue back in the day where you could kind of exploit the system having to balance very high Elo around MMR/SR gains. Where players would go say Torb, post really good stats in a loss and ride the whole MMR/SR side that can happen at in GM.
where the system thinks the round is bad so you only lose 5 on a loss but gain 10+ on a win. It was something like that, but the devs fixed it over time. You now only see it when top 500 are throw into like masters lobbies etc.
Everyone knows why it happens and why they get those lobbies but it’s been used by average players to suggest that sort of stuff is going on in basic OW match making too. Something we know isn’t going on being the game can always find 12 meh players below masters.
I have no idea how the Halo system works, if they have SR or something similar. But yes, if he loses that amount of matches, he will slowly get buried in lower ranks. But even when he goes there, the system will keep stacking impossible odds against him.
We do know, because GM and top500 players who create alt accounts regularly/consistently climb back up.
You’re just ignoring reality and responding with “what if” as if that invalidates all the known data out there because something could conceivably be true but hasn’t been uncovered yet. The ol’ “You can’t prove it’s not true, therefore it may be true” argument.
That doesn’t sound like SBMM.
That sounds like TF2 autobalance.
No, we don’t know, because new accounts have a grace period to exactly avoid keeping top players down.
No, it HAS to at the top MMR range being other wise the system doesn’t need to fall back on trying to balance around just the MMR/SR gains/losses. Being it will always find 12 golds for a game.
There are NOT really good and really bad gold players, there are only “gold players”. They play inconsistent and it make their games a bit wonky, most of all when in a game with 30+ heroes and tons of maps. Junkrat one trick on Anubis, Junkrat one trick on Junkertown vs Widowmaker/Pharah.
It’s a totally different issue than trying to juggle peak Elo ranges. The only way to find a top 100 player a game at 3am on a Tuesday might be to throw them into a masters game. Then the system tries to “correct” for what it knows is a trash round for the top 100 player by not impacting their MMR in a loss.
Totally different issue than normal players.
So the matchmaking in that game is just as rigged, huh?
Seems like this is the new standard for “competitive” games.
But here is where you go wrong, because to the MM SR doesn’t matter, it looks at MMR, and MMR is not necessarily corresponding to SR.
If you play very well in a rank below your “natural” rank (say, if you play as a Diamond on a Gold account), the MM will quickly adjust your MMR and find you stronger opponents/weaker teammates. Because remember, the goal is to create EVEN games - come hell or high water.
It is more important that people struggle at ALL levels, even levels they should trivially cruise through, than just let them climb to their natural level.
That is why you will see Gold games with GM smurfs on BOTH SIDES - because the MM is evening them out with each other.
That is essentially how you will play every single game: The better you play, the harder the next game becomes etc.
The question is then, if it is possible to find a fine balance, where you don’t stand out to the MM. If you can play just “good enough” to not rock the boat and alarm the SBMM, to avoid the MM making your life harder, until the game becomes essentially unclimbable.
People who have alt accounts in other ranks than their main will know this.
They did it on older accounts too.
Please don´t start this whole “Plat players can be better then GM´s” again
Why do you think boosters work in teams of two or three? It is to limit the impact of the MM, otherwise it would take forever to climb to the high ranks.
Sure, a GM will eventually get there, but it will take a long time, even through the metal ranks.
Yeah that doesn’t happen. There aren’t any diamond players stuck in gold. Maybe you stall here or there but if you keep playing you just march right back to your base line MMR/SR.
What you’re suggesting is if a player is too good for say gold, the system will not let them climb. As it trap the player in the same sort of broken match making you see top 100 players get at 2am on a Tuesday. That doesn’t happen being at meh ranks the system can always find 12 players near each other.
The issue of a 4.4k MMR player being throw into a 3.2k game and then the system only given them -2 SR on a lose and zero impact on their MMR isn’t going on at 2.3SR.
Being the system doesn’t struggle to find say players in 2k-2.6k to build a 2.4k team average game for a 2.3SR player.
i like how famous twitch streamers dislike “skill-based matchmaking” how a lot of the warzone streamers try to find “bot lobbies” so their content is owning people less skilled then they are. i mean it makes sense since streamers ideally want to show themselves owning everyone and if they get into a fair match then they become more passive since risk
thats just the way it is i guess and maybe one of the reasons overwatch isnt as famous? still some overwatch streamers are so good they even own in their own matchmaking heh. i guess thats why streamers do bronze to gm streams. they show themselves owning noobs and people eat it up
its weird
Stevo took 42 hours (without queuetimes) 143 wins, 67 losses.
Would you consider this long?
I mean no, it doesn’t ring any bells lol.
Matchmaking is always terrible in any game for the top few players in a region because the top of the ladder is harder to balance. For example, people hate playing with the best League player of all time because their team will have a slightly lower mmr to compensate.
Anyone below the top of T500 shouldn’t really have anything to complain about tbh.
There is me. I am high-Plat/low-Diamond (currently 2900-something on my main) and I can get stuck both in low Plat and in Gold for extended periods of time on my alt accounts.
I often face so impossible matches, that I can go on 10+ game loss streaks, even when playing two ranks below my main. It shouldn’t be possible, but it happens again and again.
Yeah that’s on you, not the system seeing you as some sort of rank up threat and giving you worse team mates so you can’t win games. If you had an open profile or posted game codes I’m sure others could figure out why you’re not stomping out gold like, well… golds.
My point is the stuff Elo systems have to do at the high peaks of their games isn’t what’s going in the middle. The middle ranks are all about consistency that the players in metal ranks don’t have yet.
and yeah you will get games with the hard stuck die hard Junkrat one trick who has gone 50/50 in gold for 20+ seasons. He is like a mini boss you have to get past like anyone else. There might be factors like by random dumb luck you play at the same time as that player, every week or whatever.
Still a totally different issue than suggesting he is in your game by design of the match maker, so you stall out ranking up. As many seem to suggest.
I AM stomping the Golds. It is the mirrors that are the problem. Another high ranking enemy, sometimes even multiple.
In the case there is no mirror enemy, my team will be so poor that you have to wonder if they aren’t really bots, and in that case there is no amount of killing that will save the game.
Do you have an alt account in another rank than your main? If so, you can’t tell me, that you haven’t experienced exactly what I am talking about.