I’d usually agree when people quit out of frustration. But I think in this case, where people are quitting out of a moral objection, it’s important that we raise awareness.
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While true this is also the absolute worst individual offender I’ve heard of yet, so kicking them square in the financial balls is completely justified.
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yeah but why did you feel the need to make a forum post.
like it takes way more effort too log in (possibly with a authenticator), click “new topic” and then type out something like this. then it does to read something and move on.
ofc people are complaining, they complain about things that dont even exist did you really think they wouldnt complain when there was a REAL problem going on?
yes they are attention-grabbing posts and that annoys you? several allegations of some heinous actions taking place across a decade of a major game dev/publisher. they are making a statement and bringin more and more attention to something people need to take seriously. this wasnt one person making an allegation, this was the entire state of california.
if you dont like that statement you are free to ignore it, but your complaining is far more annoying. because its almost like you’d rather forget the evil deeds just so you could go back to enjoying your video game.
such actions create those kinds of work environments. maybe people like you are exactly why it happend.
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Doesn’t change OP’s point, though. All the clout farming “I’m taking a stand and deleting!” posts really are useless. Especially when these same people were quiet when Blizzard fought hard to support China for their money.
Why do you need to slam the door so hard on your way out? For clout.
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that’s the point of a protest
But uh, you guys already know that, don’t you?
bunch of bitter ex employees and loony California state all looking to fleece blizz for some easy cash on the back of populist mob rule.
your mistake blizz for not moving out of a financially insolvent and morally bankrupt state.
And no one cares that you are ignorant to the events that transpired. It goes both ways.
You care enough to make a post about it.
You do you, guy.
Ethics and morals are more important to me than video games.
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They most certainly are not. They draw further attention to an issue and ensures it stays in the public eye. Not to mention forces others to make a decision about it themselves.
Pretty despicable to attempt to dismiss it as “clout chasing” just because you do not want to see it. Harassment and Abuse are not good and I would much rather have people draw attention to it then silence.
If your concern is more about clout chaser’s then holding a company accountable for unhealthy workplace…you might need to check your priorities. Because they are skewed.
If you feel so strongly, dont renew your WoW subscription. Far as we know, this has nothing to do with the OW team, other than Jeff left the WoW team like 10 years ago.
It’s what I always say, don’t care about some post? THEN DON’T READ IT.
Man, I remember when the Hong Kong thing happened and a lot of people did ‘I’m deleting my account’ posts…
A week later you had people asking on Reddit how to reactivate the deleted account because they wanted to come back at OW…
i always liked the wow forums where people usually said “can i haz ur stuff and gold?”
No they don’t, though. Saying “I’m deleting because of this” does next to nothing to help any situation; can you point to a single reasonable thing the “I’m deleting” posts did? Did they start a measurable discussion?
No its not. I can have my opinion, and while I know you won’t care because you put your opinion before all, I CAN break down why I think its useless clout chasing. China is currently doing an actual genocide, and where were all these people proclaiming they’re deleting the game and never touching a blizzard product again back when blizzard stood by China against their own players?
This isn’t the first time Blizzard has been accused of something crazy. I’M the guy that routinely accuse them of not actually caring about the LGBT, and that got me in trouble in a thread that I have downloaded if you want to see.
Honestly, I really do think people are saying they’re deleting the game now to look good for it. I genuinely think its a way to FEEL like you’re doing something without doing anything at all.
My concern is absolutely nothing. When I’m done responding I’m going to forget about this thread. You don’t get to put words in my mouth and then say that I need to check my priorities, because you’ve got no idea what I’m thinking.
Literally having one right now. About the importance of using what voice you have to express your disappointment and what actions you are taking to display it. You’ve just made my point for me. Thanks.
Never said you couldn’t. Just like I can express that your opinion is despicable. 
Ah, the good ol, “What about X” fallacy. “You did not express concern about this other thing so you should not express concern about anything else.” What backwards logic is that?
So your solution is to instead just excuse it and instead attempt to demean and reduce anyone else who speaks out? What?
The first thing you need to do is genuinely ask what else a consumer can do in this situation? What could they do beyond letting them know they will no longer purchase or interact with the company’s product? Not everyone can afford to fly to their studio and protest.
So what do you want them to do? Be quiet so they don’t bother those such as yourself who want to ignore what is happening? Just like what you claim was done to you when you mentioned the LGBTQ community? Don’t you think that might be a tad hypocritical of you?
You can call out Blizzard for supposedly not caring about LGBTQ+ but abuse and harassment in the workplace is something the player base should just be quiet about?
Naw, Companies fear only one thing. A drop in profit margins. People are giving them the heads up that this is what is going to happen and as such encourage others to do so as well.
Including abuse and harassment in the work place right?
Forget about it now and move on. Please.
Never did. Just going directly off the words you typed. If you did not mean what you said then you perhaps should learn how to articulate your thoughts better.
You are literally ignoring abuse and harassment for the purpose of telling people who are expressing concern about it that they are nothing but clout chasers.
~Tells me I have no idea what they are thinking while also telling people who express concern about harassment and abuse that they are just clout chasers~
What is that at the door? Oh! A double standard! Good job.
We are absolutely not having a measurable discussion right now. In what way would you consider this “measurable”? What is this going to change in both the short and long run? If the world could be changed by just typing “I’m deleting this game” then we’d have no problems.
I objectively did not. To prove this, try to recite YOUR point to me and see how that matches up with what I said. I even said “When I finish responding, I stop thinking of this thread” directly stating that people quitting is the least of my concern. That’s the direct opposite of your point.
How? Is this the 2021 type of “despicable” where I didn’t instantly throw out my opinion, and just download yours to my brain. IMO, people appear to be clout chasing. Wow, such a despicable opinion; would you mind waiting their while I take a whip to my back as penance?
Allow me to explain in full: If you didn’t stand up against blizzard when a GENOCIDE was involved, why should I believe that you care now? I think that’s an absolutely fair statement. How is it a fallacy at all?
If you didn’t care about THIS, why should I expect you to care about THAT? That’s a perfectly human question, no? Or is it not because I have the wrong opinion?
Go outside, raise awareness of crappy corporations in person, have a measure effect on the world in the real world? Its easy, you can just create posters yourself, knock on doors, and tell people of the truth.
I’ve stated it. You can even do that and play Blizzard games since, you know, art can be consumed separately from people.
No, actually. Because I state how I feel about blizzard as a matter of fact, and not make huge posts about how I’ll never play Blizzard products again because I’m standing in solidarity of whatever’s going to make me look good. I just flat out state how blizzard can do better for LGBT characters. So, factually no. Its not hypocritical in the slightest.
Nope. You’re egregiously misrepresenting what I’ve said. In fact, this seems like a bad faith attempt to say “Hmm…you care about GAY PEOPLE but not SEXUAL ABUSE”. That’s actually a really scummy thing to pull, by the way.
Could you imagine if I said “You’re disagreeing with me, why don’t you care to listen to black voices?” or something? Obviously, you can call out what you like. Its HOW you call it out that makes me skeptical. Lastly, I’m just saying that I’M skeptical, I’m not even saying “These people are definitively clout chasers and I’ve proven it beyond the shadow of a doubt. Just follow my method and you’ll find clout chasers with 100% effectiveness every time or my name isn’t ‘Some rando on the internet’!”.
People on a forum aren’t going to do jack IMO. You need to tell real people in the real world to see something like this.
You’ve done it twice now. Really seems scummy for you to pull this, but I can’t say I’m surprised. Honestly speaking though, I’m not trained to speak on things like this, so maybe it would be responsible to say “I shouldn’t really talk about the harassment accusations; I should leave this to experienced people”.
I’m not going to do that though. Blizzard seems super horrible, maybe even guilty, and you’re a terrible person to try and weaponize this to win a petty internet argument.
No. Who are you? You’re not my dad.
You’re trying to right now.
You’ve been attempting to jam words in my mouth, and then call me despicable for it. I know why you’re doing it, too.
How is me saying “I feel the people going ‘I’ll delete this because of the accusations’ are clout chasing” ignoring the harassment? I’m directly imply the harassment happened, and that people are using it for clout.
How dare you call me despicable when you’re one of the most bad faith people I’ve ever chatted with on this site? I don’t even believe you care about victims at this point, you seem to be trying to destroy my argument BECAUSE I called people clout chasers, and not anything to do with the accusations.
Nah, screw that. Readers, be vocal that Blizzard’s actions are despicable and that you don’t agree with them.
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Wrong.
I care.
And those posts are valid because they are expressing their feelings over a serious matter in words. That is not wrong to do.
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Do you honestly believe public expression serves no purpose? That boycotting products and services has never had any impact? That public solidarity never created change? History disagree’s with you.
Stating that you do not care about something yet not only making an initial opinion on something (people who do not care about something don’t have an opinion btw) but also responding to others who disagree with it indicates you DO care at least enough to spend energy discussing it.
It is despicable to try to reduce others valid concerns of abuse and harassment to clout chasing without any real proof of said claim. You are attempting to marginalize someone’s expressed concern and by doing so (intentional or not) also marginalize any victims of said harassment abuse.
That is objectively despicable.
Even worse, you are now using language to some how make yourself out to be a victim for your terrible take being disputed. Which is pretty reprehensible too.
Allow me to explain in full: How do you know ANY of these people did not stand up for it? How do you know that they even HEARD of it? You don’t. Ironically many may not have been aware because of people like YOU who would say “clout chasers!” as well.
Additionally, people can also change over time. Life does that. If a mind is changed and they start standing up against this stuff how can you stand there and call that a BAD thing. Don’t you WANT people to change for the better?
OR you can also use ALL the platforms including ones directly related to that of the company you are protesting? Which increases your reach and targets people who specifically interact with the company?
Which is more effective? Talking directly with blizzard’s consumer base or going next door and talk to my 89 year old neighbor who has never even heard of Activision Blizzard and only uses their computer to look at photo’s of their grandchildren on facebook?
Effective protest and outreach targets those who interact with what you are protesting.
Want to know why picket lines in front of a physical place of business/government works? Because people who INTERACT with that place have to pass by the picket line and awareness is brought to those specific people.
Going out and going door to door to raise awareness about blizzard would be the equivalent to picket lining a denny’s restaurant because Home Depot did something wrong. It targets the wrong audience is far less effective.
There is only a few physical locations for Blizzard and almost none of the consumer base directly interacts with those locations. Far more interact with their websites and forums.
This is woefully incorrect. Consuming a product of a company while protesting that company is equivelent to crossing a picket line. Saying you dislike something but continuing your support is REAL clout chasing.
Uninstalling the product and not investing in further products is word AND action. You don’t need to step out your door to be considered a real protestor.
It is when OTHER’s do so and you call them clout chasers just because they made a “big” post. Having more to say does not invalidate what they are saying.
Nope. Just pointing out hypocrisy. You literally told me you called out blizzard for not caring about LGBTQ but was slapped down by people. THEN you turn around and slap someone else down for talking about a different problem? That is absolutely hypocrisy.
You could very well care about abuse and harassment. Just pointing out that you are certainly not showing it. If you wanted to express how much you care you would be punching UP not DOWN.
So if you are uncertain
Why say this as a certainty? Looks like a backpedal. Even expressing the possibility of clout chasing (without any real backing) is an attempt to cast doubt on the validity of what is stated.
Why do that? What does that help? Nothing. It is just a reckless and haphazard lateral punch at someone else for no logical reason.
It might surprise you to know that people on the internet are real people. Do you think we are all chat bots talking to each other?
I’ll apologize here. It may just be cognitive dissonance that is causing you to fail to realize your words are an attempt at invalidating someone else’s concern.
You may truly care about abuse and harassment and just don’t realize that calling people clout chasers and implying such hurts that cause.
If you did not care you would have forgotten about this thread by now. So why are you still here?
It is like standing at a picket line by yourself, someone joins you, then you look at them and say: “I bet you are just here to get on the evening news!”.
You are specifically trying to discourage people from stating their concerns and what actions they are taking in order to further express them. Which indirectly protects and defends those accused while directly discouraging public solidarity and accountability.
You may be against harassment and abuse but your actions negatively impact that cause.
This is my final response as I am pretty certain cognitive dissonance is an issue for you and I am not looking to go in circles.
I honestly wish you well. Have a good one.
Nothing to add except a) I respect the passion from both and b) I honestly think you guys should agree to disagree. I guarantee you will not change each other’s minds and no one else is invested enough to even understand wtf is going on between you two to have their minds changed
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I agree.
I think there are enough people who can derive context from the thread to get our meanings. But thanks anyways.
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