No one cares about your rank

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Seriously. No one.

Every other post on this forum is someone whining about their rank. Or whining that system is unfair. Or whining that they belong or deserve to be higher ranked. Or whining that the system is artificially keeping them down.

Enough. We got it. And no one cares. Blizzard doesn’t care that you rank where you rank, or that YOU can’t climb despite plenty of other people climbing. What do you think is going to happen? Jeff is going to read your post and one day call a high level developer meeting to agree to jump you to GM because you’ve been so wronged by the matchmaker all this time.

Instead of complaining all the time, record your games and watch for areas YOU messed up. Look at times you trickled in. Or missed an ult opportunity. Or your positioning got you or a teammate killed. Or when you should have peeled for your support but RED MEANS DEAD was your main playstyle. Or when you were half way across the map spamming I need healing where your healers could never get to you without sacrificing themselves.

Or I guess you could not do all that, enjoy your elo and keep coming here to complain about your rank.

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People struggling with winning big and then immediately losing hard (going on a big losing streak after a huge winning streak) despite their effort to fix their in-game mistakes says loads about how there is a system in the game that prohibits them from climbing. For example, the game pins you up against less experienced players for a long time and then does the opposite by putting you against more experienced players.

The SR matchmaking should strictly be based on SR and nothing else.

Also, people like me record vods, check for mistakes, improve with more characters, and all of that but it’s all crap in the end when you have a faulty matchmaking system that tries to balance things in a way that hurts you.

Just let people complain because in reality, the matchmaking system is very flawed.

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Never said it wasn’t flawed. Said no one cares.

The biggest complaint is that it forces people to stay at their rank. Well, no. So many people have climbed Thats there’s no conspiracy. Most people think they’re above average when they’re not.

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Technicly it shouldnt matters, but try to expres your opinion about hero balancing without someone telling you filthy golds dont know what’s they are saying and git gut comments.
Also when you join comp and see that your team have one diamond and two bronzes and enemy have 3 plats it makes you think IT will be hard.
I dont play comp that much it is disheartening to give everything you got and lose 5 times in a row due to toxic players that just think about themselfs as star dpses and trickling / dieing due to stupid decisions.
You can improve your play but in the end it is team game. If you are not 2 division a below where you should be you cant carry.

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Except none of the things you described actually affect your MMR.

Which is the main complaint people have. Whether they climb or not has nothing to do with playing well, it has to do with stupid statistics that don’t have any bearing over whether/not you won the match.

A Reinhard standing with a shield sticking out that gets 40,000 damage spammed into it by a junkrat, without either of them every contributing anything beyond cancelling each other out - gets a higher MMR that isn’t stupid enough to stand with his shield out blocking for no one behind him.

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Well of course people are gonna climb. It’s not like a straight laced 50% win lose ratio. If it was, I’d sill be stuck in bronze. People climbing doesn’t mean the system as a whole is not flawed in terms of it’s horrible algorithm that hurts people’s ability to climb higher.

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Again, I have never said the system isn’t flawed. There are a number of ways the system is flawed and a quick glance at forum threads will show all the recent theories as to why it is flawed. My point is:

  1. No one knows exactly how the MMR system works. We have our suspicions about stats per 10 mins, stats per life etc. But at the end of the day we dont know exactly. So the constant posts about the brokenness of the system are just silly.

  2. nearly all of them are dripping with entitlement. The central conceit is that

BECAUSE the systems is broken + IF the system is fixed = THEN I WILL BE HIGH RANK AND I DESERVE TO BE GOSH DARNIT

yeah no. In any matchmaking system, the majority of players will fall on the average spectrum. Oh look at that, in overwatch the majority of players fall into the average spectrum of gold-plat! They could completely rehaul the matchmaking system and people will find themselves at the same exact rank.

  1. Bad teammates doesnt prove the matchmaking system is broken. Bad teammates just means this is a game with a giant player pool. Play any game with 30 million players and you’re just going to see this happen. 90% of players dont care or wrongly think they are gods. This doesnt mean the matchmaker is broken or that your rank is false. It just means you have a better chance to meet someone who doesnt GAF than someone who does.

The biggest fault of this game is that it does nothing to teach you how to play the game. Most of its modes just encourage you to casually frag out and doesnt bother to teach you team engagement fundamentals, win conditions, how to build team comps and counter pick.

There are so many remedies to this that can and should be tried: guilds, role queues, team SR for stacks that dont affect personal SR. Entry requirements in competitive like certain number of hours played on each class. Tutorial modes like in Madden where you have to make 1 play to win with certain conditions. An e-Sports team competitive game to not teach you how to win as a team, and not set you up for team success, is the biggest issue of overwatch. And even with all these things, most players will still be Gold-Plat. The fantasy that everyone will climb to top tiers is just that, a fantasy.

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That and stop using peoples ranks to shut down conversation.

“Lol ur (insert rank) Shut the hell up.” Is the most frustratingly stupid response to give to a thread.

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True. Having played every rank bronze-master its pretty obvious no one at any rank knows wtf they’re doing. T

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If you deserved higher you would be carrying and not losing games. You can claim you should be higher and the game is holding you back artificially all you want, but where and when does it end before you truthfully believe you’re at your true current skill?

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I never said I deserve higher.

I said it is frustrating and unfair that the current matchmaking system gives you a skill advantage for a big win streak and then gives you a skill disadvantage afterwards so you will lose the same amount you have won.

This issue has gotten to the point where now, when I climb higher and higher, I don’t genuinely feel like I deserve it rather the game is working in my favor for the time being and will inevitably work against me.

The matchmaking should be purely be based on SR and SR only.

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But you’ve convinced yourself that the matchmaker is working against you and nothing will convince you otherwise. Why you? What does blizzard have to gain throwing YOUR matches. Why did it keep me in plat for so long and then all of a sudden it let me climb to diamond/master? By your own logic, it should have forced me down long ago.

The answer is that, until anyone works on their skills, yes they are going to see a range (perhaps within 200-400 points) that they just sit at. Stop confusing your highest achieved rank with your true rank. I am not a 3550 player. At the limit of skill, ill probably drop down to where i’m at in due course.

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I care about hitting bronze though.

I’m pretty sure I’ve figured out how to not make an impact without throwing all while still maintaining somewhat good statistics.

Which I’d be interested to see if this method is exactly what people in lower ranks do while thinking they’re doing amazing.

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Just out of curiosity what would that be?

I have a mid-plat a lot account that I maintain at that range. I dont purposely throw ever, but i do play heroes that aren’t my best, Like Winston Orisa and Rein. I’m not the best main tank and i suppose if teammates accused me of costing them SR, would they really be wrong?

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Personal opinion, yes they’d be wrong. You said you play heroes that aren’t your best. But, playing those heroes is where your SR got matched up. So, playing those heroes is equal grounds to them playing “their best hero”.

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Sorry for a late reply, I didn’t even get a notification for this.

I started Moira in S9. Didn’t really know how to play her, I mainly focused on the healing aspect and tried not to think about the damage aspect as much. But that also just means that I’m doing nothing in terms of adding to the firepower. Which is just that, I don’t blame my team for not getting any picks because at the same time, I’m doing nothing myself in terms of helping with the damage.

So all the survival and healing output makes me look great on paper, I’m still technically throwing because I’m obviously doing nothing that’s actually helping with getting the objectives.

I could more or less be balancing adding pressure instead of constantly trying to top people off and that would help out much more than if I had “tunnel visioned” on one aspect of the heroes kit.

And ironically, I think that’s a great way to throw while completely maintaining the fact that it looks nothing like throwing. If you look at how people say “I have X golds, I heal so much and still get nothing for it”, it’s a prime example of how they do “well” while completely doing nothing to win the objective.

People think this game is easy to play, personally I don’t think so. It’s a game full of mind games (shield wars, baiting ULTs), target prioritization (dive, focus fire), attack/defend (ULT economy, backing out on lost fights) and survival (positioning, high ground advantage) all while being advertised as a “team FPS game”.

On top of the above topics, you have to know the skill limitations of your teammates and adjust accordingly. This is one of the hardest things for people to adjust to. “I’m playing just like my favorite GM streamer, why don’t my teammates go in when I do?” -> You’re playing in silver and expect GM level support from your teammates?..

If people can put aside their ego for this game, this game would be in a much better position.

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All of this. You nailed it.

The number of times I’ve been stacked with my friends who’ve asked me to go Ana and dont get it when I say “you guys dont know how to make use of an Ana.”

Totally dig what you said about the game within the game that has nothing to do with the game but without it you wont win a game. Thats what keeps me more hooked on OW than any other alternative.

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For the 750 millionth time:

  • its a team game - you’re reliant on your team to win.
  • if you win matches, and your hidden mmr is lower than your current SR, you get like no points - which is lame - even if you carry, because your hidden MMR is telling the game to give you low points. And Vice versa when you lose.
  • in other words, it’s like some players have a chain around their ankle when they try to climb, while other players have rocket boots - they could “perform” the same across their next 10 games, and one of them will climb, the other will not.
  • there is absolutely no benefit to this system. Points gained/lost should be based on that match alone - not on the 6,000 matches you’ve played previously.
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Counterpoint: If you’re losing games and tanking in a grind because you’re not at like 70-80%wr so climbing, how would you help a team on the ladder above?
There’s this notion that above me they finally get me and will play as well as me and I can finally soar like an eagle…

…no. If you’re not getting 80%~ then you’d be mediocre at best in those other teams and like a russian doll, someone else would complain that my teams experience is low, who is this person, why is other team so good?

I believe just have breakthroughs in their play that mean they solve all the problems at their elo and can checkmate most matches at their rate even if there are literal cats and dogs playing with them as teammates.

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Strange because I’ve never experienced this. A second account I bought in s6 placed gold and I ended 3.2k. Came back this season and it’s master. This account I started playing on season 5, placed 1500 and ended 2500. And I’ve now been floating 2.7-2.9k on this as that’s where my dps skill is at right now. So as I said, I’ve never experienced this in any rank at any point, yet everyone who can’t climb and refuse to even point out their own mistakes are the ones I’m seeing claim this. Please, get over yourself. If you were better then the average mmr you’d be making plays that the team can’t deal with and be winning the game. The only things I see holding people back are their inconsistent performance, lack of willingness to look at themselves instead of the team, and their current skill cap that they feel is to low to accept. Please just stop spewing this bs, you look like you’re writing from an insane assylum where you’re in the early process of being taught that things are not going out of their way to specifically get you.