Not to say that Mercy doesn’t need any changes, but if I recalled, the only complaint I heard back in Jan was Mercy’s double rez and 20 sec ult. Not once I see a majority of complaint about damage boost back then. And here we are now complaining about Damage boost because, what else is there to complain about her?
Rez on a cooldown whatsoever is what makes Mercy OP. If Mercy was not overpowered she would not have a nearly 100% pickrate ladder play and professional play for roughly 9 months. That, along side a ridiculously easy and forgiving kit and so much self-sustain paired with the highest single target healing with zero necessary mechanical aim give her an outrageously skewed risk/reward situation.
Mass rez should never come back, but rez needs to be behind the barrier of an ult. Additionally, something needs to be done to make Mercy slightly riskier to play, therefore her rewards feel more justified.
And pickrates are a cautionary tale for hero trends. I can’t comprehend how people look at this tremendously valuable data and completely disregard it. If a hero is picked nearly 100% of the time for months, through multiple metas (and deciding multiple metas), there is something off balance about that hero.
The fact that OWL players, the most mechanically and technically talented players in the world, very few of whom (perhaps two?) considered themselves Mercy mains, now have to run Mercy in almost every game -a hero who traditionally requires minimal if any technical aim or ability, is an issue. A hero like Mercy (or Moira, or older Sym, or Mei, or Torb even) simply don’t have as strong a presence in the OWL because their kits are more favorable to perhaps less mechanically inclined players. Not always of course, but generally. So for people who are tremendously talented in that regard, they obviously should have better returns and results and rewards on more skill-based heros. Like Ana. The fact that Ana can hardly ever be run from even the worlds best Ana player in the OWL -for nine months!, is troubling data when looked at in the long term. That’s the problem with Mercy.
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Yeah no. I think you refused to even try to listen to my points in that other thread. I came back with significant evidence that you kept trying to put down with ONE SINGLE POINT. The majority of gay people can agree with me that you sounded completely dumb trying to defend yourself by just hating on everyone’s points that went against gay people. But, that’s not what THIS thread is about, so I don’t care what you are, don’t focus on this if you already lost.
Since, you know, you made this, it’s about Reinhardt. Your entire refute was the stupid “gay” bull-crap and nothing about what the majority of my post was.
I was going to take this seriously until I saw “Small indie company.” Almost got me there man.
People cannot deny the fact that the OP has a serious point…
You weren’t looking hard enough. I was in the bandwagon back then that her changes were not enough, and sure enough, they weren’t. There were loads of people who agreed with that, even back then. Plenty of them have been campaigning since then, but everything gets buried in the Mercy Megathread, so it’s easy to miss.
The damage boost issue is being brought up recently because pro-players have cited that there is certainly no coincidence that the two -the only two- meta healers have damage boosting abilities. That’s true. And because Mercy was just changed on the PTR to not be able to damage boost Hanzo’s ult. The issue with Mercy’s damage boost is that Mercy -from a very safe position- just ‘boosts’ these one-shot heros (Hanzo/Widow), to make them even more of a powerhouse, and on the off chance that their sniper is taken out, she just rezzes them. It makes for boring gameplay to be honest, but I don’t have an issue with Mercy’s powerboost. If rez were changed, the sniper meta as it exists wouldn’t exist in the same way.
dude do you want to talk about this in dm’s? I’d really like to come to some sort of understanding about this topic? We can make posts\a post in https://old.reddit.com/r/changemyview/new/ and have a discussion with a bunch of input from other people, i really want to help you broaden your understanding here.
Please? These forums are not the best place for this sort of discussion, maybe you help me learn something too! But that can only happen if we take it into a place with multiple inputs besides yours and mine.
I came back with significant evidence that you kept trying to put down with ONE SINGLE POINT
your evidence was twisting words to suit your definition while ignoring anything that didn’t fit
Also i had more than one point
The majority of gay people can agree with me that you sounded completely dumb trying to defend yourself by just hating on everyone’s points that went against gay people.
I know the majority of gay people wouldn’t agree that gay is only for men who love men, maybe they would disagree with my tone but thats a separate thing
because im tired of explaining that my post is satirical, i don’t think rein is op.
can we buff the other healers before nerfing mercy? Or hypothetically revert mercy to mass res pre invuln? I’d prefer to get mercy back to a state where shes actually fun even if shes considered f tier at higher levels.
Dunno, thought that with the introduction of Brigitte, healing in general might be too strong.
Buffing the heals on Moira/Ana another 50% would make for a lot of stalemate gameplay.
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Meant to make the point that Brigette is a main tank and Reinhardt is a support and their roles are completely different?
Mass rez was awful. The devs acknowledged that. Most people hated it. It rewarded bad gameplay and punished good gameplay.
I am a support main. The supports do not need buffs. The supports do not all need to be these massive powerhouses. If you buffed the other supports up to Mercy’s level, they would all be overpowered. Currently, Lucio and Ana both need small buffs -not to bring them up to Mercy, but because Mercy has been hiding their very real issue with powercreep. Slight dusting off, and they are fine. All that is left is to being Mercy down to their level.
Buffing a whole class to one heros level is a slippery slope. That’s nightmareish for balance. It is far better, and easier, to nerf the one out of balance hero down. If you are acknowledging that Mercy is that much stronger than the other supports, it is tantamount to acknowledging that she is overpowered. The more obvious situation here is not that 4 or 5 of the support class are underpowered, but that one of them is overpowered.
If a board has a bunch of nails in it, and one nail is sticking out above the rest, the obvious solution is to hammer that nail down to be in line with the others.
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so what do you think needs to happen to mercy and how do you think that would help the other supports? In what ways would it make them viable? I don’t see how mercy can be nerfed to make this happen unless you make her useless and unviable.
If Mercy was not so necessary and tempting as a must pick, you would see other supports played more, it’s that simple.
For sure Rez needs to be off CD. Valk should remain the same, but Mercy gets her one free, immediate ult to use at any point during the duration of Valk. That way Mercy has to consider her rez choices a lot more, and she can’t use them as freely or often. It also enables Valk to feel like a more powerful ult.
Besides that, I would maybe alter Mercy’s general survivibility slightly. Maybe a tiny bit longer CD for GA, or her self-healing kicking in a second later. I also don’t think Mercy should be able to heal through barriers, and Mercy’s healing-beam needs to be trimmed to be less forgiving in general -it should break faster when the target Mercy is healing is out of los or range.
I really think those things alone would help fix the support pickrate issue, without taking away from Mercy’s kit much. I’ve had a few top 500 Mercy mains express to me they wish Mercy had an ability -perhaps to replace her E- that was purely a skill shot. No auto-aim. They want something so that the very talented Mercys can stand apart from the crowd. I think that idea is cool too. I am not sure what I would give her -I don’t want it to be something overpowered, and it can’t be a damage ability-. Maybe a cleanse of some sort, since CC is getting more and more common.
LOL?
Let’s re-phrase that. She does his job by just popping out a fresh shield when her previous one isn’t even taken down yet.
Fire strike is fine, except how it can animation cancel swing, and the strike itself allows the next swing be close to instant. Should’t be allowed to be so offensive and burst in such little time.
Riddle me this OP. What hero has been a high pick consistently THROUGH metas, and not just a flavor of the current one? I assure you it’s not Rein. You’re not being as clever as you think comparing Rein’s situation with Mercy. If you would have said Zen, your argument might actually be reasonable.
do you mean rez? that sounds like a great change, make res instant but put it in valk, that way good mercies will be able to res more and res would feel less awkward to use, the biggest thing i hate about new mercy is the delayed res. I think this would please mercy players, which is important.
I really do NOT like the cd or self healing change ideas, they were buffed for a reason and not being able to heal through shields is also bad unless you want to make it so lucio and zen cant heal through shields. Imo moira should be able to heal through shields again, the only reason ana can’t shoot through shields is because it damages.
so with those changes what do you predict would happen in terms of comps? would ana be used more? In what way?
You can thank Hanzo for enabling this meta, not Mercy.
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Mercy isn’t the same as she was during moth meta, how quickly people forget (or conveniently choose to forget)
She’s not OP.
You might need to train your aim instead, Lmao
yea like… mercy has only been nerfed since then right? meanwhile none of the other healers have been buffed.