“Niche heroes” should not be in this game.
There are heroes that can do what all of the niche heroes can do but better. As long as all-around good heroes exist, niche heroes have absolutely no reason to exist.
Either buff them or get rid of them.
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“Worse than before” doesn’t say much about her current effectiveness, though.
Like, if you nerf blade’s duration by 1 second, it would be “worse than before”, sure, but it would still remain one of the strongest ults.
Not sure why you’re so dramatic when it comes to reloading, honestly. And there are shields in at least 9 games out of 10. Perhaps you’re right, though, more ammo would make more sense.
I already knew that it was blatantly false before checking the numbers.
It decays when you don’t hit anything for 2 seconds, and Symm reloads in 1.35.
You have more damages, more elims and more final blows with Symm than with Zen (just like me).
I bet that this mindset is precisely the reason why Symm mains are hated, flamed, avoided and reported. You guys need to realize that a Symmetra and her 4 gold medals can still be a burden to her team.
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Worse than before when she had autolock beam of 7 meter range, yes it is quite bad.
Still only 4 characters out of the whopping 29 cast can produce shields. Ironically, symmetra counters her own ultimate. None of the characters she can duel efficiently unlike reaper. Expecting there to be shields so she can dps efficiently compared to everyone else who can dps efficiently the less shields enemy team has is counterproductive.
Enemy has to move away from range for 0.65 seconds and poof, charge level is gone. No other dps has this issue, even zarya doesn’t have this issue of suddenly losing 60dps as soon as you gotta reload. It’s utterly stupid to lose charge level so fast, especially when achieving said charge without dying is already difficult.
Alright so what does my own specific performance have to do with how bad symm is for the general populance? Just because symms like Raihan exist and make her work doesn’t mean all symm’s problems just vanish into thin air. Such as teleport still being slow to deploy, difficult to place due to railings or slopes and wonky unpredictable placement screws with turret bombing and teleporting out of grav. That has nothing to do with how good a player is with a char.
2.35kd is still extremely bad for any dps. Symm barely achieves 13k damage done in grandmaster versus Zenyatta’s 12k, while Zarya with roughly the same maximum damage capacity can get 19k. She also has no elims to speak of, once again barely beating Zenyatta who is a support and brings so much more than symm.
The only reason I’m not actually doing more as Zenyatta is because of my lackluster aim lol.
I can play symmetra if I so want, I certainly don’t need to tank or heal for 4 other instalock dps. But I can still certainly carry when I literally duocap first point on hollywood and kill 5 people in total as a duo since rest of my team was held back by rein and zarya, cuz taking a teleport past them is too difficult.
I recognice when I might have to swap characters. I don’t certainly deserve flames, avoids or hate because I choose not to abide to 4 dps whims in QP. And neither do the rest of the symm players.
Oh and btw, I’m not a symmetra main but a dva main.
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Oh are we going to play the Ad verecundiam fallacy?
Lets not stop there. Lets pick lets say … a well known OTP that plays Sym in T500 ranks.
How about we check Stevoo and Raihan statements/opinions about Sym and the success of their rework (their words, not mine)?
… right.
Because it destroys your stance. Cool mate.
Yeah, move on.
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Oh hey there, reasonability. What a rare sight!
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She is a better hero than she was now, frankly most symmetra mains just need to be told the truth: Lower ranked players are EXTREMELY SLOW at adapting to things in this game, which is why people still use Mercy as a main healer. Symmetra players are simply UNABLE to adapt to the changes they made, despite the changes making the hero being better, because most of them are set in their ways and lower ranked (She used to be one of the most picked DPS in silver/bronze) Any top level player would agree she is better. Heck she even got her first use in OWL: before she was completely useless. Pretty sure even top level Sym mains agree.
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I do kind of miss old Symmetra’s ability to peel for her other support more easily with the lock on beam, it feels kind of clunky now
Such thing as niche shouldnt exist
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And yet they do
Some heroes should simply not be viable in every situation… imagine Mei being so strong she has a pickrate of 10% (10x what it is now). That would be horrible for the game for reasons I shouldn’t have to mention.
Same goes for Sym. One tricking niche heroes is fine just don’t complain that you struggle in some situations.
I am a top level player. I was the first Symmetra main that got into t10. I’ve taken both versions to t500. Sorry but you really don’t have a grasp on any version of Symmetras mechanics and their implications.
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Nobody says symm has to be viable in every situation. You’re just pullign that out of your head.
What we are saying that symm needs to be a viable pick to choose. Instead of being a bad budget zarya.
If there is no point in choosing symm because she is weak even in her niche, then hero is not viable and doesn’t get played, as is her pickrate.
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BuT sHe WaS pLaYeD iN oWl, So ShE’s FiNe!1!
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You see this is utterly false.
If she was that bad, she wouldn’t have the highest winrate of all heroes (second to Torb). It literally isn’t possible to be bad and have a high winrate at the same time.
I made a diagram so you can understand:
https ://imgur.com/a/xalLCxe
If she was that good, she wouldn’t be sitting at a 0.82% pickrate in GM this week. 
Also, you keep ignoring the point that her winrate’s being inflated.
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Her winrate has been high for a long time. But you’re the first I hear say it’s inflated, so feel free to elaborate and actually provide some rational evidence. In the meantime I’ll state in an equal fashion that her winrate is deflated since we’re just throwing baseless claims in the open.
If symmetra was actually a good hero, she would have the pickrate to reflect this. But she is not a good hero and nobody picks her.
The reason she has high winrate is because she is picked in extremely few situations and swapped out when she’s not working, which is all the time. Other heroes like rein are sitting on a very high pickrate, but also high winrate, because they are good heroes.
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If Symmetra was actually not a good hero she wouldn’t win so much.
Good heroes get picked. Like rein and zarya. Bad heroes don’t. Like bastion and symm.
You can’t make a good hero out of a character that never gets picked. Not with any kind of logic.
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Then how about 2.0 then? Wasn’t she better since she won more often than 3.0?
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First of all, considering you’re using the ‘all’ stats, her winrate’s being inflated by lower ranks who aren’t exactly great at dealing with her turrets.
Secondly, her winrate’s being inflated by the same reason that her 2.0. winrate was inflated. She’s being played in her niche, but then when it’s no longer working out, she’s swapped off. I mean, we literally saw it in the Gladiators vs Dynasty match. This inflates her winrate, because when she’s performing extremely badly she’s swapped off and so her winrate’s barely affected. When she performs well, people stay on her, and so her winrate goes up.
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