My dearest Sombra

[Arkinan-2528]

" Sombra does not only annoy silver players… She is only countered by coordinated teams
who peel and focus her down. This does not happen below Masters very often."

No, you just pick moira and wait him to attack to kill her freely with no aim.
Also you got, reaper, mei, kiriko, torbjorn, off… literally any source of heal counters you.
I can say to you that i win duels by having a far far away strong aim compared to my enemy and also taking care of which hero is playing (Taking correct distance and positioning, wasting his habilities and taking care of them… ), not to say that the proper way to pick is to kill your enemy by blasting his head to kill them in 1-5 or 2 seconds where you need at least 4-5 seconds to hack and virus.

“I will never congratulate a hero that can sit in stealth and pick her fight with no retaliation because she can tp back in stealth whenever she wants. There is no congratulation to give to that, her advantage is too massive.”

His advantage CAN BE massive, but NOT TO BE, and the price is so high.

“No, it can be because I’m slightly behind my team, or I’m coming back from spawn, etc…”
If the sombra player is doing that, he is just so bad and probably will lose the game.

“Tracer’s ult actually requires tremendous skill to land…”

Mate, sombra is one of the hardest hero’s to play, master it and you will understand.
Even EMP requires skill to land. You will land it to just kill? Or you will land it when enemy dives you with 2 cancellable ults and ruin his play?
Also you can stick tracer’s bomb just by putting your face in your enemy like you can do with every skillshot in the game.

I’m gonna give you all answers.

If you want to counter sombra, PLAY SOMBRA and you will understand.

[Mamalamadoo-1218]

You seem to forget that sombra does absolutely nothing wholst invisible. Tracer gets 4 abilites for survivability and escape in a fight, whereas sombra gets 2 if you really want to push it, with one being either survivability or escape and the other being only escape. Tracer can use her 4 abilities in the 3 blinks or recall as either survivability or escape without having to sacrifice either survivability or escape like sombra does.

At the moment in overbuff stats she is amongst the worst. Fairly soon after the rework the devs also said her winrate was crap.

[OGgiraffrey-1466]

@Alone-2496

She is only countered by coordinated teams

I’d say she’s countered by considerate teams not coordinated. Did you ever consider that she’s turn around and attack the backline. You don’t need teamwork and communication to beat her. You just have to care enough to 180 and help your team. That’s not coordination that’s just consideration. No teamwork or planning or communication needs to happen the make this reoccur.

[Alone-2496]

@Arkinan-2528

No, you just pick moira and wait him to attack to kill her freely with no aim.
Also you got, reaper, mei, kiriko, torbjorn, off… literally any source of heal counters you.

I don’t play Moira. I hate her almost as much as Sombra, and for similar reasons (easy to play for too much value), so I decided not to play her anymore. And as of tonight, I won’t be playing Sombra either.
I tried Reaper, Mei, and Torb. It’s slightly better, because the aim requirement is lower, but it’s not working very well either. They work if Sombra is in very close quarters, but Sombra can stay 20-25m away and deal good damage still, so…
As for heal, it’s good if you get some. It’s not always the case.

@Arkinan-2528

His advantage CAN BE massive, but NOT TO BE, and the price is so high.

I disagree. Being in stealth is always a massive advantage, no matter what. And the price is not high, since you can disappear whenever you want (the CD is so low that it’s barely a CD).

@Arkinan-2528

sombra is one of the hardest hero’s to play

I disagree. You can get kills easily with her, much more easily than with heroes like Tracer, Hanzo, Echo, Reaper, Symm, Widow, etc…
She has a relatively high ceiling, but a low floor.

@Arkinan-2528

Also you can stick tracer’s bomb just by putting your face in your enemy like you can do with every skillshot in the game.

So it is a skillshot, contrary to what you said earlier

@Arkinan-2528

If you want to counter sombra, PLAY SOMBRA and you will understand.

No thanks.

@Mamalamadoo-1218

You seem to forget that sombra does absolutely nothing wholst invisible.

She takes the best position possible, and analyses the fight to decide when to act. That’s not nothing.

@Mamalamadoo-1218

Tracer can use her 4 abilities in the 3 blinks or recall as either survivability or escape without having to sacrifice either survivability or escape like sombra does.

I don’t see how using transloc makes you sacrifice survivability or escape…

@Mamalamadoo-1218

At the moment in overbuff stats she is amongst the worst.

She’s just below Sojourn, who is still a highly picked character, and works well. She’s only 0.5% below her in terms of winrate.

@OGgiraffrey-1466

You just have to care enough to 180 and help your team. That’s not coordination that’s just consideration.

I agree. But this is quite rare in the low ranks where I play. People rarely look out for their teammates. Even I, who make a duty to help against Sombra, miss opportunities to do so quite often because I’m focused elsewhere (which is another reason why Sombra gets kills : you can’t spend your whole game looking over your shoulder to see if she’s there).

[Arkinan-2528]

You just blame and demostrating that you’re not wanting advice or anything to improve agaisnt your sombra problem. Even you are not reading the answers completely.

You will always loose to sombra in that way. Just that.

Saying nerf sombra or even asking to delete her from the game will never happend and solve your problem.

I wish they give at least 20% damage on hacked enemies to be a relevant thread and shine to tier S like everyone else does.

I’ll never care if they nerf it back.

I personally think that sombra is like doomfist. You need to be so skilled as it to make it profitable and they’re just ok by that. Only a few players will have positive win rate as sombra because she is so TEAM DEPENDANT.

[Recovery-11900]

Is there a reason the people who complain about sombra aren’t shooting her when she does the obvious telegraphed translocator away to prevent the re-stealth?

[Andough-1183]

@Alone-2496

Ok, well do you think it’s fair that a hero is allowed to stay in stealth indefinitely in a game where you need to see people to shoot them, giving her a massive element of surprise advantage ? Do you think it’s fair that she can escape back to stealth every 6 sec, negating almost all possibility of punishing her unless you’re focusing her as a team ? Do you think it’s fair that an assassin in stealth, who is a kind of glass canon, has the same HP pool than heroes that play without stealth in mid range poke ? Do you think it’s fair to have a hero that is only countered by a coordinated team in a game where no one communicates and no one peels outside of high ranks (where most people don’t play) ?

Fair? No. Manageable to go against? Yes. Annoying? Yes. Especially this part:

@Alone-2496

Do you think it’s fair that an assassin in stealth, who is a kind of glass canon, has the same HP pool than heroes that play without stealth in mid range poke ?

Yes, I do. I don’t have a problem going against Sombra. I play the support heroes that ruin her life and can kill her faster than she can kill them. This isn’t a problem to me lol. And I think her being countered by a coordinated team is absolutely fine because that’s the case for every hero.

Again, I’m not saying “Hey! You should find her perfect to go against!” I just simply would not trust your suggestions. I wouldn’t suggest things for heroes I find frustrating; I’m bound to be biased and my suggestions would seem fine to me, but would be fundamentally flawed.

@Qronot-2499

Yes? Can she not translocate in combat?

Oh my god, STOP.

The whole point of my post was:

@Qronot-2499

No she doesn’t have one button that resets all her hp like tracer but she is better at regaining hp over time.

This was the whole point. Mid-combat HP regeneration is my entire point. I don’t care about the other circumstances or scenarios. This was the whole thing and I repeated it three times.

I am not comparing the two, I am saying if OP wants to keep comparing Sombra to Tracer with his proposed changes, then he’d have to give her a way of regaining HP mid-combat outside of a health pack where the ability itself is what heals her.

Nothing else. I’m not making any other claim. This is the only one. I am not talking about the nuances with hacked health packs. That would be an apples and orange comparison.

[MiguelRivera-11892]

Yeah, at least you USED to be able to destroy her translocater. Now you can’t even have that advantage over her anymore, and it’s ridiculous.

There’s no hero that should be able to run around freely and infinitely invisible in this game, a game about positioning, especially when their positioning never gets punished cause they continually get free escapes. Everyone else gets punished for bad positioning, but she gets to cheese out of it the entire match and get rewarded for it.

@OGgiraffrey-1466

You just have to care enough to 180 and help your team.

That’s fine in a vaccuum… but when everyone is also paying attention to Orisa in their face up front, genji jumping around their head throwing stars, Moira flashing around throwing orbs, Illari healing everyone behind the wall with her ability while trying to headshot you… ect ect

[Alone-2496]

@Arkinan-2528

You just blame

I blame bad design, yes.

@Arkinan-2528

you’re not wanting advice or anything to improve agaisnt your sombra problem.

I already know the advice : stay near your team, peel, scout, change to some heroes. It’s not helping much, because the most important counter to Sombra is peeling, and it doesn’t happen often in low ranks where I play.

@Arkinan-2528

You need to be so skilled as it to make it profitable

I stick to my opinion on that : Sombra has a low skill floor, allowing you to get kills easily (I didn’t say get value, I said get kills). She has a relatively high skill ceiling though, I’ll give you that.

@Recovery-11900

Is there a reason the people who complain about sombra aren’t shooting her when she does the obvious telegraphed translocator away to prevent the re-stealth?

I play mostly Cass. If I can follow her path and shoot her, I do. Usually, she’s back in stealth before I can kill her.

@Andough-1183

Fair? No.

Thank you

@Andough-1183

Manageable to go against? Yes.

Then you’re better than me (which, to be fair, is not hard ).

@Andough-1183

And I think her being countered by a coordinated team is absolutely fine because that’s the case for every hero.

Being only (or mainly) countered, I would say.

@Andough-1183

I just simply would not trust your suggestions. I wouldn’t suggest things for heroes I find frustrating; I’m bound to be biased and my suggestions would seem fine to me, but would be fundamentally flawed.

Wise stance I’m not that wise

[OGgiraffrey-1466]

Same reason they don’t turn around to peel. To much of a hassle.

[Arkinan-2528]

Man just UNDERSTAND, making sombra waste his TP or even disabling her to kill 2 is literally winning the game against her. You don’t even need to kill her!!

He can only ping for info in invisible + she is literally vulnerable doing anything.

What you play? DPS? Support?

If DPS: Just face her
Support: Heal your teammates to negate his burst and kill her.
Just anoy her and you’re winning value against her!!! Even making her low hp will turn her into TP panic!

[JuiceLord-11781]

Literally just nerfs, but im okay with it. Less sombra = more fun

[Griever-11131]

Tracer has a smaller hit box and effectively has 349 hp. Harder to hit and technically has 2 lives.

Pretty sure her speed boost is already 20%, letting her match S76, but only when invisible.

No comment on her range since it really depends on whether or not she can Hack or land Virus at that range.

Her SMG does I think 8 per shot. Idk about per second, but if you reduced her ammo to 40, she’d be spending over 3/4 of her mag to kill just 1 guy, making it absolutely essential she Hack and land Virus. You want to reduce her ammo by 1/3 of what it is, the only way this would be balanced is if she either gets a 33% increase to her Virus damage or her SMG.

And her TL cooldown is only 5 seconds so she can quickly rejoin the fight and escape if necessary, which was the intent of her rework. An 8 second cooldown would only work if she has back her old TL, insta-stealths her, and/ or heals her for 80% of the damage taken in a certain timeframe.

There is no generosity, only calls for a nerf to a character that was already indirectly nerfed by the S9 patch.

[Alone-2496]

@Arkinan-2528

If DPS: Just face her
Support: Heal your teammates to negate his burst and kill her.

Thanks. I hadn’t thought about it

@Griever-11131

There is no generosity, only calls for a nerf to a character that was already indirectly nerfed by the S9 patch.

I know. As I said in replies above, it would be better to just take away her permastealth, but I don’t think it will ever happen, so… I wish her permastealth would be “compensated” by massive nerfs, yes

[anon66025010]

@Alone-2496

You can keep your virus, your hack and your EMP. See ? I’m actually super generous.

Hack shuts off abilities for 8 seconds
EMP shuts off all abilities for 8 seconds, destroys all barriers, and instantly wipes sound barrier and shields.

Since you wanna make Sombra as bad as OW2, but give back her OW1 kit, no problem bro!

Ok I take you up on it.

[NerfThis-11137]

@Alone-2496

Tracer, who is not a coward

I love you

I liked the title of the thread, but your words are poetry

[NerfThis-11137]

@Andough-1183

her an ability to recover her health

I mean you can stand still on the pavement and regen hp while invisible.

Though we can workout something like 50 hp on tp use if you can give up hacking healthpacks.

[NerfThis-11137]

@Nyxa-21603

she literally shouts “I’m over here” whenever she drops stealth.

By the time you hear it virus is close to hitting you, this wasn’t the case before during one of the patches this bugged out i think

[anon66025010]

At what point will you all be happy? Sombra is not going ANYWHERE? Do you not know what spychecking is?

OMG SHOOTING AIR OMG HOW BORING!!!

Yet when you played Pyro in TF2, that’s what you did, especially by the sewers on 2Fort.

Cloak is never going away, hack is never going away, so you have to learn to realize this game is not a cake. Meaning, you don’t have the supports layered in the back, the DPS in the middle and the tank in front, and 2 teams walk at each other in a layer. Sometimes, you have a Wrecking Ball bypassing some Rein and slamming around the back with a Sombra, and your hitscan isn’t going to save you. Figure it out.

the game is nearly 9 years old. If you’re new FIND SOMETHING ELSE.

[NerfThis-11137]

@anon66025010

Sombra is not going ANYWHERE?

I’m sure we can hard nerf her again and put her up in rework q as usual

jk aside she does need a rework , i don’t want to suggest how cause then robot will be here, something that can get a decent consensus from sombra mains.

That allows her to be a balanced viable hero that is not useless outside dive when enemy team can coordinate.