What is that lol? Like i hear everyone other then zen like they are roadhog now?
If they think most players are cheating than not, itās likely they suck.
One in 5-7 games for top 500 so about 1 in 50 for regular players.
Alright I misinterpreted what you said, I thought you said 15-20% of players were cheating, which would be on average at least 1 a game; a 2-3% rate of players cheating would be around 1 every 5 games or so.
Myself and people I know are in Grandmaster/ top500 and do not use Xim, Chronus or similar devices so those being āthe only way to stay competitive in Masters+ā is just not true. Actually the match making giving me toxic, botty team mates Iām expected to carry is the biggest issue I have with the game, not if my opponent is using a M/K or not because generally all the widows are cracked anyway so every match is minimising LOS, etc.
As I was traditionally a PC gamer, competitive FPS player and league admin who at times banned people for cheating (such as wallhacking) I would say in my experience that cheating is far more prevalent and impactful on PC. Moreso than any other platform.
Theres lots of cheaters. Top 500 is probably 10-20% cheaters. Id never say most players are cheating though. Sometimes a player will hit dirt all game and by some stroke of luck kill you dead with the luckiest shots hes had in his life and it feels like a cheat but when you rewatch the game its obvious the dude is trash and just got lucky killing you. Happens a lot with me. Ill see a hanzo shoot air and dirt all game then a stray head shot lands as hes spamming a choke like a good projectile hero does. Doesnt mean they are good or cheating. Just luck and you are on the wrong end of it.
Question, does this count in game cheats, such as in gta the ability to spawn in cars (naturally, without mods)?
I think as PC players we sometimes live on our own little egotistical bubble. Tbh Im glad I am not on console having to deal with XIM and Cronus, especially not if theyre as abundant as people tell me.
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Itās your lack of game sense
My face when this forum says nobody is cheating when you can literally install an undetected pixelbot from github off a google search right now
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Fair enough.
The conversation diverged a bit as I read down and just supplied my own comment.
I donāt even think wall hacks can happen on console. I think a bunch of hacks donāt exist on console but please someone educate me if Iām wrong.
Yeah there are times where I accurately predict an invisible sombra but thatās just because I have over 300 hours with sombra. So yeah I have an easier time guessing the paths you take and how fast you run in invisibility.
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Most communities will say this about their own game.
What proof do you have that backs up your claim for this game?
What constitutes proof buddy? Do you want me to link you some undetected clients?
Some sort of number Iād imagine buddy.
Something is convincing players of this game and countless other games that their game has the most hackers/cheaters out of any game out there. Why does(do) this/those game(s) have the most hackers/cheaters out of all the games available, and why is this claim thrown around in every gameās community? Surely they all canāt be āthe mostā cheater filled, not without proof at least.
Surely it canāt be something as subjective as lack of perspective, thereās got to be data to back this up, right? Surely itās not just hyperbole for the sake of hyperbole?
Your call. I canāt make decisions for you, and I stress this next part, that is within your own elected agency and actions.
Iāll personally pass though, Iām having plenty of fun playing the game as it was intended to be played: completely legitimately. I donāt need your actionably advertised stock of bannable enhancements.
Why would there be data? Who is collecting this data? How could they collect this data? You call for ādataā as if there is some sort of academic interest in the matter when the fact is, anybody interested (players) doesnāt have the capability to and anybody with the capability to (Blizzard) has no interest in making the number public for obvious reasons. To cite a classical example of your argument; can you prove that there is no teapot at the center of the universe? If you need me to spoon feed you the solution you need to go back to school.
Everybody believes that about their game because most people only play one game in particular. Precisely, not everyone can be right at the same time, if you want to be a pedantic snob. But anyone who is actually interested in observing reality through what people believe (as opposed to someone like you who likes to claim objectivity through āproofā,āstatsā and ānumbersā while being as self-conceited as the rest) can simply make the much more obvious judgement - that the problem of cheating is simply widespread enough to the point where everyone thinks they have it the worst. Of course I am already familiar enough with your thinking to know that you have never considered this nor will you accept it as the obvious reality it is.
If you REALLY, DESPERATELY want numbers, I will again point to you the fact that the DPS leaderboards are missing AT LEAST 30 people EVERY SEASON.
AT LEAST 6% OF ALL DPS PLAYERS FINISHING TOP 500 ARE CAUGHT CHEATING. THE ASIAN SERVER HAS THIS NUMBER EVEN HIGHER. STATISTICALLY, AT LEAST 1 IN EVERY 4 GAMES IN TOP 500 BASED OFF THIS NUMBER HAS A CAUGHT CHEATER AFTER THE SEASON END.
Notice how you asked for proof? I am giving you proof. There is proof right there in the game client. There is proof on google right now in plain sight. You are pathetic to the point of not even knowing that you are defeating your own argument by not calling my bluff to link you obviously rule infringing content. If I was as wrong as you suggested there would be no point in revoking all personal responsibility in the event that you are shown said evidence. Not that it doesnāt exist or that I wouldnāt, but you are so bad at argumentation that you donāt even know how to make me put my money where my mouth is. We can see your edit history, you know.
And just FYI - you wouldnāt even make a high school debating club, let alone one for adults, so I have no recourse but to believe youāre a kid, kid. Get off the game and go back to school itāll do you wonders I promise.
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Deflect more my dude, that will work for you and you will climb ā¦ right?
Make up more āevidenceā, word is cheap. Even if that was true, a cheater on T500 could even own 3 accounts, which makes those 50 accounts maybe 15 people? out of MILLIONS of players?
Yeah definitely most people are NOT cheating then my dude. Congratulations on destroying your own point 
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I recall a news article/thread a couple of years ago where it was cited more than 100 of the top500 accounts in OW1 were cheating. Iām sure a perfunctory search will land you results.
I agree some of those banned accounts will be the same person, but plenty of others who were not cheating in that t500 also had multiple accounts. Itās also only considering that number only consists of those which were actually caught, the actual number of cheaters will be higher as many will be flying under the radar, even to this day. They will be the smarter ones; toggling, running 2D radar and/or multiple monitors, triggerbots, automatic ult counters, automatic ability usage, more sophisticated cheats and even private providers with authors targeting and costing for professional use cases.
With that said I agree many are too quick to call ācheaterā when they lose. I also agree that Overwatch does not have the highest amount or percentage of cheaters in the gaming sphere. What I do find interesting is that to my knowledge no high profile Overwatch players (eSports professionals or large streamers or content creators) have been caught cheating, or even their banned accounts uncovered by the community yet.
yet there are people in comp, playing while blasting music so they canāt hear the reaper shooting a teammate right next to him
Again, dudes with multiple accounts, theres 3 regions, literally when the game was dying (overwatch 1, 2020) and a really weird exception. Never happened again, this post is NOW.
I think that someone saw the āwiggleā Tarkov video and got chills and now starts seeing cheaters everywhere in OW2 when the actual numbers and logic tells us that the average joe (below masters) is most likely to either never see a cheater or maybe actually be in a match with one a couple of matches every 100.