I mean the same could be said about moira
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How about halving the size of her right click hitbox and giving her crit ability? Now she has a higher skill floor and ceiling and won’t be made unviable.
BTW: Why did the devs nerf her healing when it seems that everyone is complaining about her DPS abilities?
PS: Despite the Mercy avatar, OP is a Genji main and clearly showing their bias.
Lol you serious? Coal has an even bigger hitbox than her succ. You need to be a potatoe to not track with it.
People did complain about her healing.
I see you are under the presumption that I assumed Mercy is OP’s main or that I wanted to single her out from the entire character roster.
This is wrong.
Its because I saw the picture that it reminded me of Mercy and her skill level. Also, in my first post did I included more heroes than Mercy, but somehow are you only focusing on Mercy.
Its fine if players think Mercy is a high skill hero, but I strongly disagree with this statement. To me is she just as skillful as Moira, maybe even less. This is something I have stated before on the forums.
Het skill floor and skill ceiling is that low in my opinion. (Not there is nothing wrong with this nor is there anything wrong with Moira.)
I’ll echo what you’ve probably read on reddit 400 times. ‘Remove aim-assist from right click, remove damage orb, gg’. That means you’d have to aim and not just jump around like you’ve had too much Mountain Dew while never missing damage output and the orb…well I’m sure it’s kind of unanimously disliked amidst most.
it really does not, you can have piss poor tracking and max out your hps / dps with her ult.
This always annoys me. It just seems like people want to be able to instantly win a fight because “I picked a character that takes more skill than yours”.
I feel people don’t actually put in the time to learn these characters and just assume they are better than the plebs picking the easy heros because they dared to pick something with a low aim requirement.
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She is “low skill” but her kit is only heal and damage and she is easy to counter. And honestly, I dont see any problem with “low skill” characters.
that’s not what many others and I argue.
it’s just not healthy having characters you have to perfect against just to win the 1v1 against while they can strafe spam because of the low aim requirement to kill you.
i don’t either, the problem generates from the low skill characters being more powerful than harder heroes even when played correctly.
I think, that moira requiers, like many other healers, much situational awarness about your mates, the enemy team and your position, ability cooldown etc. Its like with ana, basically with a smoother transition between healing and doing damage, way more possibilities when it comes to attacking and flanking, switching positions and a huge skill potential when it comes to your orbs. The differens between a good moira and a bad one is the ability to decide between your damage and heal. As a tank player, i can clearly see how some moiras are attacking the enemy instead of healing their team, while everyone is waiting for heal, and a moira, who makes you feel like you dont even get damage and on the other hand gets gold medals in everything from Damage to heal. And also, if you want a purely aim-based game, that rewardes aim much more than everything else, ow might not be the game for you. Much heroes dont requier a good aim, which is ok, if they have to focus on other things. If you think, that playing mora makes you climb up the ladder, try it.
Fade jumps are only viable on certain maps and no Moira can consistently pull them off for it to be relevant.
You can do the math all you want, at the end of the day all Moira is just healing or damage.
Double shield was really the first meta Moira was actually in. If it wasn’t Moira would of been the queen of utility known as Ana.
It’s so funny and ironic that the Moira mains are always talking about how easy to counter Moira or that we should just have a better game sense when THEY LITERALLY DON’T HAVE TO HAVE THOSE…
Press shift and you can fix your positioning, you’ll be free from every debuff, you are invisible, and nobody can do dmg to you every freakin 6 seconds, throw an Orb with literally auto aim and let it do your job instead of you, spraying your teammates without any aim, doing damage while selfhealing with Roadhog’s c#ck’s size beam woowww these requires so much game sense it’s unbelievable.
Like If you would play Genji or Tracer, Ana, Widow, you could never counter a Moira, Mei… And Guess what why? Cuz those heroes are hard to play and requires 4 times more skill to do. Cuz of that they won’t get consistant value, even pros, Top500, GM players will miss a lots of their shots but no Moira above gold will miss any of her “shots”/ abilities…
Like wtf is the damage Orb seriously? It does 50 dmg/ sec up to 200Dmg, so if you use it on one 200 HP target only, it can kill that target in 4 seconds but Guess what: your noaim right click does 50 dmg too so you are doing 100 Dmg/sec ! CONSISTENTLY! when you are focusing the target of your Oeb with your right click without any mechanic or game sense, so that Ana,Widow, Genji has only 2 seconds to live, to realize that he is getting damaged, realize where you are, try to aim and do a perfect shot and ohh the best part: even of you could somehow hit the shot of your life on her: She just fades away while the dmg Orb is still doing dmg to you and She finishes you off in 0,5 sec…
Still not enough? Even Tesla the Top500 Moira main does recommend you to just throw a dmg Orb into the enemy team at the beginning of the matches, and the beginning of the teamfights to get free ult charge. Unless the enemy team has a DV.A, Genji with a deflect cooldown or Sigma you can’t do anything against the Orb, it will do some damage, and if the enemy healers are getting flanked, that dmg Orb can be a pain in the #ss. You cannot just walk away from it when the Moiras usually throw it where the team is pushing it at a choke point maybe, there is no Time to go to the other choke point just to dodge one freakin Orb so the enemy Moira will not get free ult charge.
Still not enough? Even with the nerfs, Moira is the second most picked support in GM, and usually is in every elo (except Diamond). Imagine the lowest skill hero in the game considered a better pick than the highest skill support Ana… Low skill low reward my #ss.
She is getting her ult waaaaay too fast. You cannot be tactical like with other ultimates: “Do they have Grav? Do they have Sound Beat?” Nope. Moira has her ult almost every teamfight…
But yeah just defend your low skill hero when you probably never knew the struggles how hard it is to “just click on heads” with Widow in a game with so many noaim ability, barriers, and so much mobility, with literally the smallest hit-boxes… You’ll never know that those Genji players are learning how to play Genji for 100+ hours to do somewhat good, that they actually have to be afraid when and how to do things with Tracer or Widow cuz there is a high chance that you’ll miss.
So Yeah, you will just hold down buttons without any struggling and do some A-D crouch spam, throw auto aim Orbs, survive everything and keep call out that “you all just have to get gud” when you literally don’t have to do that, or have no clue actually how hard is to do that with an actual skill required hero.
Congratulations, because of your bad initial positioning, that you’ve now fixed; you’re left Fade-less and vulnerable to attack.
For .8 seconds, what a travesty, Overwatch’s balance lays a smouldering ruin because Moira becomes incoporeal for .8 seconds and is unable to deal, damage, or use abilities.
Shows that you haven’t played enough Moira to understand that her Orb is purely supplimentary
Not only does it take some aim, you also have to consider your placement relative to allies, while picking the best angle to engulf as many teammates as possible. It’s hardly the click on Rein for full healing that you’re making it out to be
A beam size that’s fine when Zarya uses it with her up to 4 times the damage output? Right, sure.
All of those out-damage her… even when you include her healing.
Almost as if not all characters in this game play like CS:GO, hmmm. Overwatch is a different game with different skills required.
Oh dear, a Moira has thrown a damage orb, depriving her team of healing. Whatever will I do? *Steps 2 feet left. Get your nose out of the orb, stop following it like you’re it’s dog.
Factoring in the 250ms average reaction time, you have a whopping 1750ms to dash/grapple away. As for Ana, what the hell are you doing behind the enemy team? In fact, what the hell were you doing as Widow?
Aaaaaand? Yay, a free 8.5% charge. Can’t wait to spend that on some tasty ult. You know what other characters can be advised to just toss their ability into the enemy for some cheeky charge? Almost all of them. Pretty much every ability will have recharged before you need it.
You mean the orb that’s just given your healers more ult charge than the Moira got? The same orb that did ~35 damage to everyone in the worst case outcome.
God forbid you choose a character that can just eat it. And again, your healers just got more charge than Moira did.
Hmm, almost like she has parts that apply and work differently in different skill levels. That makes her sound really healthy actually.
Not only is it the worst support ult (barring Rally because what even is that), filling no specific job other than a tad more healing. It can’t stop dragons like Trans, it can’t stop nuke like Barrier, it consistently does less healing than Valk, it doesn’t provide the damage output of Matrix.
Completly ignoring that it isn’t made to be a “save the game” kind of ult, and more of a supliment to her kit. Kinda like pulse bomb.
Struggles, ha. I hate snipers in games, and almost exclusively play those ‘no aim’ heroes that everyone likes to cry about. But even I can make widow work at my MMR. She isn’t hard, lets face it. She’s just very ‘all your eggs in one basket’.
I’m going to assume you’re talking about a different game here. Overwatch has the chunkiest HBs I’ve ever seen.
I’m going to give you some hints here:
Stop licking the damage orb, it hurts you
Play someone who counters her
Stop feeding her, her consistency relies on her ability to feed
Bait out her damage orb, and you really take a chunk out of her healing
Focus people down, her quick-to-generate ult relies on healing.
If you’re team is not feeding her, make it a war of attrition. She turns into a brick.
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moira doesnt have to track genji at all lmao???
what do you play on??? a laptop touchpad? im asking because the last person who said moira was an aim based hero literally played moira on a laptop
Except Moira is only highest pickrate in bronze-gold and lowest pickrate support in GM. And ana is top 2 support all the way from gold-master.
Everything Moira does now, Baptiste can do a hundred times better. Well, aside from making players follow her orbs around and killing themselves. =p
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nah not really
bronze to diamond at worst.
not to mention moira is the best healer for any other game mode that isnt really high ranked comp
I’m just going to reiterate what I said and tell you to check weekly overbuff stats.
…yeah, and it proves my point?
still the best healer from bronze to diamond, 4th most picked hero in qp, popular in the game overall…?
unless you are a grandmasters theres no point in thinking moira is bad at all.
her kit needs 0 help, team effort, personal effort even, to work. moira is fine and still on the top in the game overall taking to account other modes than just comp, sorry
call when shes in the bottom 5 in all modes/ranks