It’s my second most played Support. Zenyatta has to aim, and hit accurately which means he misses 'WAY to much to even compete with Moira’s “Average” dmg.
The hit boxes in OW are a joke compared to other FPS so don’t go on about the hits.
Zen on average and deal out more than double Moira’s DPS.
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She isn’t though, she is the only go to if enemy Genji sombra have a desire for your supports heads
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beam size does matter but its not something morias kit is built on like charged based beams.
its much more about the lockon angle
Theoretically Zenyatta has more dps. Reality shows he’s mopping floors in comparison.
Theoretically does NOT mean Zenyatta does more dps.
What do I mean?
Enter Practice range with 2 games open.
Moira vs Bot
Zenyatta vs Bot.
Both stand still and start the “DPS” Race.
Zenyatta will win.
2nd challenge. Try doing the same in a real match.
Zenyatta will lose Unless Zenyatta has an Insane consistent accuracy.
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Sure, that all looks good on paper, and I’m not saying she’s weak in OW2. I think she’s strong enough to be played often enough. The best escape is totally contextual and not a fact. It depends on the situation. There’s countless times a Moira has faded away only for me to understand where she wants to go and stop her from either living, securing a kill, or helping a teammate. Lucio is the best escape artist overall. Again, it’s contextual. It doesn’t matter what map you’re on, Lucio has an advantage that Moira can’t top for every map. Outside of that it’ll depend on the situation.
As for her DPS, She’s doing a ton of chip damage across a map. First of all, she has to dmg to use her primary heal. Two, those orbs get sent out in chokes, and even around angles where players have room to maneuver away, but won’t. Sometimes she’s not securing that kill in a full team fight from full health targets without the help of a teammate.
The benefit Moira has is being able to put out decent damage to assist in getting a kill consistently, and some players don’t know how to handle that kind of constant pressure.
But you get her in a 1v1 with a hero like Soldier, Reaper, or Tracer and she’s probably going to run unless she got a good jump on you. I notice a lot of Moira’s tend to try to bully me on Ana or Zen. On both heroes I like to get up close while she’s crouch spamming and AD strafing while sucking me. If they position well and play angles I do the same. Often they’ll throw out an Orb. but anything can happen and it’s a mind game as well as baiting or forcing out CDs.
But these nuances of what she looks like on paper isn’t telling me anything I don’t know. She still lacks the utility that discord, anti nade, sleep, IM Field, Prot Suzu, Speed boost bring to the table.
By no means am I saying she’s bad. She’s just not this insane Support hero that players are making her out to be. She has a place like all the other Supports and for heroes like Tracer, Genji, Sombra, you should be able to switch to her if you can’t handle them on Ana, Zen because she can at least have an easier time repositioning and getting value with heals and dps if they are being too slippery for the other options. 2 out of 3 of those dps I just listed will eat a Moira for breakfast if they get in close and play decent.
Overall the better opponents you get, the more some will want the utility of other Support.
I shouldn’t be surprised with this community though. You can go into a QP match with someone that has hundreds of hrs, many of them on Dva, and see them not eat orbs being tossed out. Or Moira’s playing into Dva, instead of grabbing Zen or Bapt. There’s a lot of players in this community that just don’t think about everything happening and how it affects an entire match. That’s real nuance. Looking at more than just numbers and seeing the cause and effect of how a match progresses from all angles.
A torb can counter Moira and many flankers. It does like 60 dps. Basically a stronger Moira
she’s so annoying to play against!!!
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Then tell them to grow up
Agreed. Honestly, Moira kinda has to make those kinds of aggressive flank plays because she lacks utility, so punishing her team for their low utility and window of low healing can be very effective. Chasing Moira around in your team’s backline just plays into her strengths, because you can easily be baited into isolating yourself.
You should also respect the fact that Moira has the capability to push up between fights and harass and potentially pick someone off and get out alive pretty reliably. Don’t just walk up to a corner by yourself and stand there AFK looking at your spawn room and waiting for your teammates. Voluntarily isolating yourself and not paying attention is just asking to get picked off by a hero who can chase deep and still get out reliably, including Moira.
I already replied to it.
Fun fact. Zen almost reaches Moira’s DPS JUST KICKING HER.
How’s that for insane accuracy.
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Fun fact. This is not a 1v1 game.
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Oh so the complaints are mainly about Morias 100-0’ing people in the middle of a team fight?
What’s the rest of the team doing? Sleeping?
Lol a lot of people also think the earth is flat soooo
looking where she and the other squishies went
I’m not even bothering because Zenyatta can farm in the back whereas Moira has to get in close. You can lob volleys and use Discord to his advantage.
Look, I’m not seriously suggesting Zens attempt to kick Moiras to death (as funny as that would be). I’m just trying to illustrate how painfully low Moira’s DPS actually is.
Like, if you nerfed it she would genuinely be close to doing more damage with her melee.
Blizzard tried to force flankerwatch.
Supports in general suffer from it.
The only character that this plays into is Moira and laughs.
You get what you asked for.
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Miss - Miss - Miss - Hit - Miss - Hit - Hit - Miss - Miss - Miss - Miss - Miss - Loaaaaaaaad - Miss Miss Miss.
“Hell yeaaa brutha I’m topping the dps charts.”
-Meanwhile Moira-
Holds Right click "Hey babe… how was work today? “Biiip(Kill)”. “Oh nice did you ask for a raise?” (Biiip biiiip (2 kills) “That’s awesome”
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