Moira does actually have a lock-on

[Prett-1169]

@Rezi-11959

By saying that the hitbox is a cylinder/cone you’re implying that

…when she damages an enemy the radius does not change, like it does with lock on weapons. That’s what I’m implying (Well… that’s what I was outright saying, not implying, but you know)

I fully understand that the animation requires a view of the target’s centre. Otherwise the animation would not work properly.

[Rezi-11959]

@Trickster-21129

It is pretty special weapon that is unique to her… But it is not a ‘lock on’… Lock on would be what Mercy has on Caduceus Staff. When you attach beam you can look about and do not care about aiming it any more… But she has to track enemy so it is NOT a lock on…

Would you consider Soldier’s ult a lock on? Because it shares the same mechanic as Moira’s secondary. Mercy’s lock-on is a special, stronger version of it.

[Trickster-21129]

@Rezi-11959

Would you consider Soldier’s ult a lock on?

No…

It is aim assist.

@Rezi-11959

Because it shares the same mechanic as Moira’s secondary.

It doesn’t

@Rezi-11959

Mercy’s lock-on is a special, stronger version of it.

Nope… Just watch video provided… It will answer your confusions about what is considered a lock on in games and what is not…

[NohrianScum-2929]

Bro spitting out facts against Moira here. Prepare to die filthy Genji main.

[Rezi-11959]

@Trickster-21129

It is aim assist.

Then Moira has aim assist.

@Trickster-21129

Nope… Just watch video provided… It will answer your confusions about what is considered a lock on in games and what is not…

You have a very narrow view of what a lock-on is (i.e. exactly like Mercy’s).

@Trickster-21129

It doesn’t

It does. This can be demonstrated in the training room.

[Aviatorhead-1915]

@Rezi-11959

Moira’s secondary is not a beam. It does not act like a beam weapon. It acts like Soldier’s ult, but the lock-on radius/angle is much much smaller.

Please, for the love of god, play the character you’re complaining about before you make your argument. There is absolutely no aim-locking on Moira’s primary, that’s not what ‘attach angle’ means.

[NohrianScum-2929]

Moira players arguing that its a hitscan beam

Btw, filthy Genji main.

[Rezi-11959]

@Aviatorhead-1915

Please, for the love of god, play the character you’re complaining about before you make your argument. There is absolutely no aim-locking on Moira’s primary, that’s not what ‘attach angle’ means.

How about reading the whole thing plus the very detailed, well-written post by SidewaysGts before commenting? You didn’t even read the disclaimer. I’m not complaining about Moira.

[LindZ-11620]

Just another post trying to prove she is a Noskill hero.

[Aviatorhead-1915]

@Rezi-11959

How about reading the whole thing plus the very detailed, well-written post by SidewaysGts before commenting?

Because I’m responding to you, not sidewaysgts. And idc if it’s a hate post or not, Moira doesn’t have a lockon. It’s a big and forgiving beam but it’s not like soldier’s ult.

[NohrianScum-2929]

@catboyǃ-1206

I don’t get this whole argument. Who actually cares if it’s a beam with a forgiving hitbox that has an animation that makes it look like a lock-on or if it actually is a lock-on with a small “attach angle” or whatever. Like what difference does it actually make

Because if its a beam It means it would be blocked by anyone standing in bettween, if its a lock on it means It attaches and once attached It will keep damaging until the enemy gets out of the cone, which is way harder to dodge.

[Rezi-11959]

@Aviatorhead-1915

Because I’m responding to you, not sidewaysgts. And idc if it’s a hate post or not, Moira doesn’t have a lockon. It’s a big and forgiving beam but it’s not like soldier’s ult.

I already presented evidence of it not being a beam. I have not yet provided evidence that Soldier’s ult has the same mechanic, but I may do it later. There is evidence of it being a lock-on in SidewaysGts’s post, you should read it.
If you have arguments/evidences proving otherwise please show them.

[Enigma-23295]

It’s a Cone, like Winston’s Primary Fire.

It’s not a Lock-On, it’s just a very generous Hit-Box.

[Trando-11488]

@Rezi-11959

This post is just to deliver facts.

25:30

ABILITY HITBOX VISUALIZER for EVERY HERO

[Rezi-11959]

@Trando-11488

25:30

Moira’s secondary does not have a hitbox. And the video you linked kinda proves my point.

You can go to the training room, pick a training bot and position yourself so that most of the bot is hidden from view but its guns are still visible. If you’re on Zarya, you can hit the bot by aiming at its guns that are sticking out of the wall (there is a hitbox vs hurtbox check here). If you’re on Moira, you can’t hit the bot no matter where you aim your crosshair at.

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@catboyǃ-1206

I don’t get this whole argument. Who actually cares if it’s a beam with a forgiving hitbox that has an animation that makes it look like a lock-on or if it actually is a lock-on with a small “attach angle” or whatever. Like what difference does it actually make

None. But Moira mains will immediately jump at you the moment you say she has a lock on with “UMMM ACTUALLY IT’S NOT A LOCK ON ”

[Aviatorhead-1915]

@Rezi-11959

There is evidence of it being a lock-on in SidewaysGts’s post, you should read it.

Please quote it, none of that is evidence its a lockon to me. Yes Moira beam has a ‘tether point’ but it’s not something that locks the players aim, it only means Moira needs LOS of the enemy’s center for her beam to hit.

The game doesn’t track for you like soldier ult. The game doesn’t keep your beam attached like old sym or current mercy.

[Trando-11488]

@Rezi-11959

Moira’s secondary does not have a hitbox.

You can go to the training room, pick a training bot and position yourself so that most of the bot is hidden from view but its guns are still visible. If you’re on Zarya, you can hit the bot by aiming at its guns that are sticking out of the wall (there is a hitbox vs hurtbox check here). If you’re on Moira, you can’t hit the bot no matter where you aim your crosshair at.

I dunno how many hitboxes were shown off in the video (29?), but a single anecdotal example a possible geometry interaction is supposed to prove it all wrong?

You could be onto something, but you gotta do better than that.

[Rezi-11959]

@Aviatorhead-1915

Please quote it

This part:

@SidewaysGts-1926

Note in this first one I make a tether to the first bot, then shift left- It stays tethered to the first bot- But as soon as the first bot dies, it immediately tethers to the second, close bot.

This tells you that the closer bots hit box is intercepting and is a “valid target”, but it stays connected to the further bot.

It prioritizes the currently locked-on target. I need to test this myself, but if it’s true that’s the behavior of a lock-on.

@Trando-11488

You could be onto something, but you gotta do better than that.

Well at least you’re open to the idea. I may come up with more evidences later if I have free time.

[KevinAteNine-1753]

@catboyǃ-1206

I don’t get this whole argument. Who actually cares if it’s a beam with a forgiving hitbox that has an animation that makes it look like a lock-on or if it actually is a lock-on with a small “attach angle” or whatever. Like what difference does it actually make

yeah don’t bother. I’ve tried saying this here a million times to no avail