which is funny because that’s what we’ve had anyway. Most of the top dps are hitscan. Sigma is the #1 tank in the game, and then illari bap are the top 2 supports currently lmfao.
So they’re just going to nerf heroes that aren’t even the best and nothing will change.
Although dva winston DO need nerfs, but they said mobile “dps and supports” specifically which… idk wtf game they’re playing where mobile dps and supports are the go-to picks of the game.
Gotcha. I’m QP only so basically no ELO at all. 
But yeah, QP is certainly low level uncoordinated play. The weird thing is that before I took a break, Rein was non-existent in my games. So that buff must have been pretty good. Also I’m seeing very little Sigma now. Was he nerfed?
Nah sigma is still the #1 tank in the game but it’s mostly a higher elo thing. Bad sigmas get ran over by mediocre reins.
But basically the armor in game got a global buff to just be flat out broken, so most tanks who have armor are generally unkillable, but the 3 biggest perpetrators are dva, monkey, and rein. Bad players can’t really play dva and winston that well so they generally default to rein.
Plus he also got a shield HP increase so that makes him even harder to kill on top of the armor changes. And dva got the duration of defense matrix buffed.
Yea basically the game is not in a good spot especially with the tank role right now.
Yeah the game has needed nerfs accross the board for the longest time but to target these specific heroes is dumb, Tracer and Kiri are too good they’re just outshined by cass and ashe
It’s literally like 2 sentences in the Hero Balance Updates section. 0 clarifications on which heroes, just that some mobile DPS and Supports will be eating HP nerfs. They talk as much about LifeWeaver, which is wild I thought they forgot he existed tbh.
Ohhh yeah I forgot that they reverted armor behavior back to OW1. Such an awful change. 
Thank you!
Add it to the ever growing list honestly atp lol
Tinfoil hat time… i dont think blizz wants a Dive Meta anymore because it would require players to work as a team, they want it to stay like a team death match where players can que up out of VC and play as a solo player.
This is one of those things that tells you who is good and who is not. Tracer is a more common pick but everyone who knows DPS knows that if you are a great Echo right now you are the king. Its just like late OW1 where Echo was sharing the crown with Tracer but only like 40 people in each region could play her so nobody really noticed.
I get it that this is one of those things that gets lost in the shifts during the seasons but ya its pretty universally accepted right now that if you are a high ranked player who can play Echo you should play her every single game. Its a giant red flag when someone tries to claim she is not top 1 let alone top 3.
You can keep saying those things as if you are high rank… the hero is not top 3 lmfao
Echo is not regarded as top 3.
The t500 leaderboard (the place with high elo players) does not show she’s top 3.
Everything points to echo not being as good as you say she is. So idk how to help you out here.
She’s good… but not top 3. And definitely not the best dps in the game.
So thats why you are making that mistake. You are not understanding the top 500 leaderboard. The top 500 leaderboard makes up the ENTIRE season and most of the action in top 500 is in that first half (a LOT of players kinda want to avoid the last 2 weeks of the season like the plague). Echo was not that good before the midseason. In fact I would say she probably 6th or 7th. However the midseason patch happened. Cassidy got nerfed hard. DVA became the top tank. Armor got shifted so between the top 2 the only counter who can really mess with you is Ashe.
The leaderboard is a tool you can use to judge efficacy BEFORE the midseason patch. Trying to use it to judge high rank after is silly. Right now Echo is considered 1 of 1. I think it was best described to me as “she is the ONLY DPS who you feel like you can really have a high impact on in this meta”.
Again though if you are trying to use the leaderboard, barring a meta shift (which honestly will happen in about a week), you should see it in about 2 weeks.
Pharah is mobile, echo is mobile. They’re right up there.
I’m glad people are finally understanding how Tracer works now 
I thought everyone would be like “Yay, 150 HP is back!!”
Tracer is just versatile. I wouldn’t consider her meta right now because there’s a better alternative in Echo. Meta is hitscans + Echo. Although it usually is hitscans + Tracer, that is true.
Dive is broken, way too much survivability. Echo, Tracer, Sombra, Venture dunk on everything.
dawg… people still play the game LMFAO. t500 doesn’t suddenly become barren after the mid season patch or the 2nd half of the season.
Echo is not top 3. It’s okay. But that’s fine we can wait til the season 12 leaderboard and watch as… echo won’t be there while cass and ashe dominate it again.
They aren’t top 3.
Objectively wrong across the board. I know you’re AKJ but at least get sumn right.
After the season 9 changes to hp, dive heroes have been the strongest they have ever been. Boosted garbage.
There’s a reason the Finals has Lights with triple blink, invis at 150hp and Soldiers at 250hp. You Overwatch one tricks don’t understand game balance.
You say this while saying objectively wrong statements.
Not only are you trying to compare an ENTIRELY different game to overwatch. But you’re just lying.
Dive has not been the best.
Hell, even right now. The #1 tank is sigma. The #1 and #2 supports are bap illari. Two of the top 3 dps heroes are hitscan (which includes your “oh so weak” cassidy btw)
You are OBJECTIVELY wrong. There is no debate, there is no discussion. You are flat out incorrect.
Sigma is the worst designed hero of all time, you delete him poke isn’t even strong