I’m still not getting it, maybe you could explain it to me over comms?
not right now, but I’ll message you on here at a later time
Sure. I’ll try to think of a clearer way to explain it by then.
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As far as im aware, most gm usually smurf in diamond and master. It is the plat and gold that are more likely to smurf silver/ bronze rank, and diamond probably smurf in plat and gold.
GM is only around 1% of playerbase, it is unlikely that there are a lot of them in lower rank.
I would just want to add my 2 cents as this: if a gm player deranks and then starts trying again in brz/gld/plat+ then they also skew the pbsr/mmr numbers…for example if a gm was to play in a gold match and they get 60-70 solo kills that game…basicly they own the enemy team 1v6 on lets say pharah and that gm dos this many times each game…then throws again a couple games to stay in gold…so he keeps doimg this…now when a real gold player gos to try to rank up they cant get nearly that many solo kills maybe they do 20-30ish…if they are lucky. Now when they win they win less SR because they cant out perform that gme player on the same hero…so they rank up very very slowly and they have to now win lets say 6 games to rank up instead of maybe 4 so a higher chance of them getting a losing game inbetween the winning ones (cuz u lose more sr then u can gane most games) so because of this this gold player is stuck lower then they should be and are now miss placed in close to the wrong rank. Now this isnt the ONLY reason but it is just an example of how just 1 smurf can affect the entire ranking system. I dont even begin to know hwo many smurfs there are but its not just me or or that 2-3 game they effect everyone on the ladder since m ur sr gain/lose are affected by ur performence on x hero vs others in ur current rank on x hero. Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it. 
I really dont feel smurf are a problem. At least on my experience, hardstuck players are more toxic, annoying and hard to carry; i have to say that not all experienced players are like this, but a lot of silver and gold portrait have this thrashy attitude.
Hardstuck players are more likely to one trick and to throw the game because someone is not playing what they want, nevertheless they are unable to switch what they playing to help the team.
When i get bad games, i get usually a hardstuck and a smurf, but the smurf usually performs well while the hardstuck rants all game lol
absolutely, but they skew it equally for everybody, so smurfs are not a problem
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Oh ya they are effecting everyone so its even in that way but the real problem is the high killed smurfs are setting the bar for what wver rank they are in way to high. So basicly for a silver to get to gold rhey have to has stats that would rival plat or well above gold just so they can take the small step to gold rank…(thats if they are not accidently boosted by getting a few lucky games with a smurf on there team.) Everything would be perfectly even if everyone had a set time/date they played …but its random so much so that maybe one week i play and i get smurfs on my team every game…then the next week i login and no smurfs arr found…then the next wek i login and the enemy are nothing but smurfs…that is how they are ruining comp and everyones rank. Just cuz there bored or what ever ego stroking issue have have to do it…its not right and thats why everyone wants bliz to do soemthing about it.what that is i have no idea.
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it’s difficult to read what you’re trying to say, maybe if I knew ya better 
Sorry i get wordy…im just saying that when u play comp u get pbsr/mmr based on how u perform vs others that play the same hero and u get so much sr for if u over perform or undet perform…same with losing sr. So if a GM plays at ur rank (like gold) u now have to perform better then them to get big sr gains so thats why they r effecting everyone in a bad way cuz it make it even harder to rank up now cuz of it
You’re right, let’s let Ray Lewis play pop-warner football with 5 year olds. No big deal, there’s a good chance he won’t be on your kid’s team so all good right?
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yes, but everyone is equally subjected to the GMs wrath, so… smurfing hurts no one
if everyone takes a 1SR hit because of the GM, then it’s all good, the only person who doesn’t have an accurate SR is the GM smurf.
note: 1800sr from 2 years ago isn’t the same as 1800 today. SR is always relative.
To say smurfing hurts no one os wrong. Reason for this is everyone keeps saying u have x% of geting the smurf on ur team or enemy team…but they are not considering the randomness of it all…i can go 1 week without seeing a smurf at all but then go 2 weeks with nothing but smurfs on the enemy team then go a few days with some on my team and it will voince around that randomly…i play at the same time each day after im off work at 6pm mnt time…but the smurfs since they play at higher ranks on there mains they will play at random times during the day. Now im not saying im only gold cuz of smurfs NO…im gold because of other issues myself. But when i have to fight leavers/throwers/myself/AND smurfs…then that whole even fight dosnt happen and it dos hurt my sr because of it…(ive soncr grown to not care about my sr as its not very accurate so i dont care about it much aside feom trying to still raise it and win) but smurfs being in lower ranked games dos hurt peoples sr AND the game as a whole. Yes after 100+ games ur sr will balance out yadyadayada…if i happen to log on EVERYtime the smurfs are on and are on the enemy team…it could ruin my games to the point i get pushed much much lower then my true sr…making me the smurf/problem.
Out of the above randomness of things i said…the only kne i can control is me…bliz should be controling the others better but choose not to sadly. Either way i will truck on and keep up the good old sr fight cuz well its game to help numb the mind from reality
what can blizz do about smurfs? I say they really can’t do anything.
Unpopular opinion:
these so called “smurfs” are more often than not people who just had bad/unlucky games who are making their way back up.
Like me, i had an insanely unlucky losestreak. People didn’t talk, my entire team didn’t give a damn about the outcome and so on. However, i took it as a opportunity to try and carry those games (even tho most of them were literally uncarryable stomps) However, you can still try to become better, regardless if you get stomped or not. And i mean try and get better on a personal level. Improve aim, try to win 1v1’s, etc.
Once i dropped from high dia back to ~3k i get insulted by multiple people for smurfing and how sad my life must be to play on diamond just to farm “lower rated player” even tho these people are only less than 400 rating lower than me. Happened multiple times already but what can you do ? Sometimes you are unlucky and you will notice that after a long losing streak, you will most likely make your way up by completly demolishing the enemys till you’re back at your sr.
That’s what i think are most of these forum “smurfs” 
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I don’t think they’re a problem really (I smurf myself so I’m biased lul). The reasoning is that for every smurf on their team, you’ll have one too, or someone of equivalent mmr. Sure it’s not an exact balance and it swings in either direction. Most smurfs already have a few levels on them so their MMRs are already calibrated. They don’t usually stay in the same rank unless they hard throw.
Playing on console, there’s literally 4+ smurfs each game (although it’s hard to tell if it’s a smurf or alt). At this point I’m used to it on my main and doesn’t faze me (although my main is much lower than it normally is sooooo). Sure a GM in silver would not be beneficial, but that smurf won’t stay there long regardless. It’s the smurfs that are a tier above, that carry, that you can learn from. Imo it’s not as unbalanced as people feel it to be (remember most people here don’t complain about the smurfs on their team) but it simply raises the average sr of each tier. I’ve had only one game recently at 3.3k without any smurfs and it’s crazy how easy it was. I felt like I was playing in plat.
I hate these terms like “Misranked” or “Deranking.”
Throwers.
Cheaters.
Baby Men.
Misranked? That would indicate that there’s an issue with the ranking system, but that can’t be possible. The ranking system is perfect! All players have the ranks they deserve.
/s
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I don’t enjoy losing 30 minutes of my gameplay because someone wants to manipulate the system. What I mean is the average game is like 15-20 mins. So you get a smurf throwing on your team, or stomping on the other team, you spend 15 minutes losing that match. You then have to play another match, another 15 minutes, to regain the SR lost because of the smurf.
But you might say that it’s offset by the times a smurf is on your team and helping you win. Perhaps, but those games artificially inflate the SR of the players on the smurf’s team. Maybe they weren’t going to win that match, but did anyways because they had a GM player rolling the enemy team for them.
All I’m saying is that manipulating the SR system is just bad sport all around, no matter what side you’re on.
This is where your logic fails you. From the player perspective, it does not all equal out in the end. You do not have a static chance to get a smurf. Their presence is a random variable affecting individual matches. In every match 11 players are getting an outcome based on something other than their own skill. This never balances, it only has an unbalancing effect.
Your mistake seems to be in assuming that because the total SR numbers balance from the smurf going up and down, it means everything is equal in the end. From the perspective of the system, this is true, but this is always true, with or without the smurf. The system is designed to balance. At issue is the effect on the individuals the smurf gets matched with.
Think of a casino. The numbers for the house always balance in the long-term, but the individual players have quite different outcomes. Would it make you feel better that the house numbers balance when you lose money in poker because someone has cards up his sleeve? Would it make you feel better to know he came back the next day to lose intentionally to different players?
what do suggest blizzard do? they can’t stop smurfs, might as well embrace them… all new accounts start at 0sr. this is my position currently
this is incorrect. you have the entire player base (consisting of you as well) and then you have the smurf.
you don’t understand statistics, we can take a snap shot and assume the likelihood of encountering a smurf in any given match
no, I only gave the example so the SR would equal out…if the example was a GM deranking down to bronze and only working his way back up to plat…then fine, diamonds might be effected but not silvers. because all the silvers would be affected equally.
if you don’t play 462 games within every 500 days, this post doesn’t apply to you, sorry for the mixup
and the longer you play, the less individualistic the outcome will be. the people who post about smurfs never say how often they play. if you don’t play enough, your complaints are null and void, it’s the nature of any 6v6 game with randomly generated teams
I’m trying to say that people having cards up their sleeve affects everyone negatively. so no one is a looser, however there is one thing missing that would satisfy you, we need to see the bell curve of the entire Comp player base. 1800 last year isn’t the same as this year, 1800sr means Jack, but being the 145,647th player in the world, that’s something you can count on and if doesn’t matter how many people have aces up their sleeve, because everyone who is just as good as you will be equally affected
I’ll leave you with this, what do you want blizzard to do, because anything they do will negatively impact the ranked system just to get rid of the small problem of smurf.
he’s an idea, no rank, just 12 random ppl and we just count wins, you ever has the most wins is the best… there smurf problem gone, is overwatch better?