Yes! I agree. Victory is always a factor in this game because it is fundamentally PVP, and while having fun is the point of gaming (if not for the win) then playing an off-hero you’re not very good at is okay.
But then doing complete general noob moves isn’t, like 1v5 ing or charging without a supp jammed into your cheeks.
Which is why “play for fun v play to win” is kind of funny, because either way we aim for the W. The only discernable change seems to be how we approach it.
As a filthy casual, you have given me at least some new ways to think, or at least recontextualising my own thoughts