You are right it’s powerful when used correctly but that rare when you go up in the ranks in comp. Also, why not use it to reload.
The best place for McCree ults is low tiers where people can’t shoot or locate the giant glowy man in time and he can go on wild flanks and depend on his entire team not dying in the meanwhile.
It is almost useless in anything approaching organized play.
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Well i mean obviously. Thats every corporation ever.
The only way to do something about it is to continue to make a stink, for as long as necessary. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
¯_(ツ)_/¯ I’d tell you if I knew.
I don’t like the fact that a Junkrat hides to use his ultimate. I also don’t like the fact that his tires exploding radius is fat as hell.
I think that she is unfun but the argument I said was that she is the opposite of engaging and she is barely impactful outside of Resurrect.
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Subjective opinions hold value, but they need to be analyzed.
Example 1: “Mass Res is unfun to play against.” It is probably a true statement… however… there’s an opposing Subjective Opinion to this one. Made by that Mercy and potentially her team. “Pulling off a big Rez is super fun.” or “I just went from thinking this situation was hopeless but now our Mercy Rezzed and we get another chance! Let’s DOOO ITT!”
Which feeling wins? Well in the context of Dragon Blade or Riptire or any number of other ults… the user’s opinion wins. But for Mass Resurrect the user’s opinion definitely did NOT win. How is that fair?
Compare that to this opinion: “Mercy isn’t fun anymore.” There is no directly opposing opinion. Even Player B saying “I find this Mercy more fun” doesn’t directly oppose Player A saying that because who’s to say that Mercy couldn’t be changed to be fun for both?
There’s also the issue of… Game Designers have an unspoken agreement with the players… “Play my game the way I’ve built it and you will experience something worthwile.” Overwatch is trying to cash in on Fun and Competitiveness. If part of their game is failing to deliver fun… then they have failed on their end of the bargain, and need to fix it.
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So as far as pickrates are concerned, there’s no reason to believe that private profiles noticeably change the distribution of observed data. Not like something like SR distributions, where the argument can be made that high rank players care more about stats and meta than golds or plats.
That said, McCree isn’t really a must pick. Well represented but nowhere near Mercy/Rein, the actual ladder must picks (this is common across platforms).
He is way less picked on PC, though. Why that is I’m not sure, but Widow takes his place in PC. Maybe the whole controller thing. Wonder if that effects the whole ult thing. But I’ve also never seen a console McCree player say that the ult is a big part of why they play the hero. It’s either an afterthought or doesn’t occur to them at all.
I mostly play with top 500 and most dps top 500 are mnk it would make sense for them to play hitscan like McCree. Also, on console, most of us don’t play widow because of the fear of vsing a mnk widow.
By that logic, wouldn’t M&K Widows rule the roost? She absolutely mops the floor with McCree assuming high rank mechanics.
We rarely get mnk widows simply because it’s hard to stay alive on console because the rest of your team is controller. Also, console is still dealing with a bit of dive comp in high tiers.
McCree has even worse survivability than Widow… she isn’t in the thick of things and has a reposition button while the former just has a roll.
Guess console player who use mnk are just stupid then ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=5" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
So what you’re saying is… switching off of Mercy is viable now?
Y’know maybe Mercy shouldn’t have an ult that provides heals like Zen or boosts like Orisa. You’re trading two ults for effects better than one, sounds completely fair to me.
It’s like Tracer vs Genji. You take Tracer for a high impact kit, or you take Genji for a high impact ult.
If this is the case for Mercy vs say… Ana, that’s nothing but a good thing.
Why?
Oh, so when it suits you, fun and unfun arguments have value. You say it’s unfun because you think she is not engaging.
Why you don’t have the same view for the complaints against mass rez? Why you don’t take the time into understanding why it is unfun for them?
The devs probably concluded that, if it comes at the expense of her teammates fun, it should be changed.
No you are just spammers that post the same things reworded. It has been going for almost a week now and soon will end one way or another. I am guessing mass bans or forced megathread.
I understand being passionate. I actually even believe they should revert Mercy. But you need to understand where to draw the line and how to self regulate what goes on, because this situation reflects bad not only on you but on all of us.
Antagonizing, bullying, calling people names or being extremely sarcastic to the point of being toxic will not help Mercy at all.
I am NOT necessarily speaking about you specifically just speaking about what certain individuals do in the forums. BFA is out, tomorrow the forums will be regulated normally. What about then huh? Why should Mercy cause be buried in a megathread for the Nth time due to some below average IQ people (for lack of better words) that cannot control what they write and when they write it?
WHY should all future posts about future nerfs be treated like that?
Don’t you see that any valid feedback which you might have gathered to give will simply get ignored? Why should the devs come here and engage in any sort of discussion when people are waiting with their pitchforks and torches to attack them?
Right now we have a choice to make, we can act mature or act like children. Sadly the majority of people chose the latter.
That isn’t relevant to the topic, but I’ll bite.
Switching off Mercy is viable now. I’m betting that in 2-3 months it won’t be again, just like the last time Mercy was nerfed; people freaked and Mercy’s pickrate plummeted… and then gradually crept up to must-pick status again.
Maybe Mercy should have an ultimate that is actually unique, engaging, and worth something?
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I rarely ever use fun as a point in an argument and only ever say she’s not engaging when comparing old and current Mercy…
Because I don’t want to play hide and seek with the enemy Junkrat.
Because old Mercy was impactful. As for engaging, it’s a meh from me. I was asking for an e ability when old mercy existed. Fun fact: this is also why I don’t want a revert and would much rather prefer a rework such as Titanium’s suggestion.
None of which will be happening if the mega thread continues to get locked.
If you think spam is when multiple people who don’t know each other make the same topic, you are going to have to tell every single player not to post the same topic. Good luck with that.
Act like children… 
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Do you HAVE to find him? Is it necessary to play this game of hide n seek against him?
Which is pretty much a revert with a caste time and LoS check. I mean, it’s technically different, but at the heart of the suggestion is not.
Serious DRAMA-QUEEN! We’re all gonna’ DIE 'cos of YOU! (Hint: It’s a game played by children of all ages.) ‘Hysteria-cal.’
(Won’t mention the Call to a Higher Authority Trope… oh wait.)
People seem to act like you have to play hide n seek with the enemy Mercy.
Actually, it is a rework. Which is also why, moving Resurrect and giving Mercy a new ultimate is labelled as a rework.
Titanium suggestion: