The game is weeks old.
It’s fine, metas aren’t figured out that fast, there’s a myriad of changes, 2 new heroes, new mode and maps. Relax and wait and see. Devs need to focus on fixing issues not small balance tweaks because few weeks of owl.
Mercy is crap but i feel like karqs tierlist shouldnt be the set and stone evidence why shes the worst support
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Yes, Mercy needs a buff in she healing, the same level that the others supports and give she something new and new, only in this way will they put her right again, otherwise she will be in absolute garbage in OW2 forever.
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And doesn’t take long to figure out who is good and who is bad. This is such a bad excuse to leave a hero bad. It’s like saying “Well its only been a few weeks” to us after Mercy got nerfed to 50 HPS. We knew she was bad immediately. She stayed bad for a year until they buffed her.
We already can tell Zen and Sojourn are overtuned just by playing. And look at that, the Devs said today that they are probs gonna nerf them! Funny how that works!
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considering how you defended valk so hard about how much impact/self agency over value it has and then have backflipped hard on that for OW2 for the reason of lack of self agency over her own value… 
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It’s not but I think it’s a good thing to point to when a non-Mercy top support main even thinks shes trash. An unbiased opinion
She gives tons of value as well.
Consistent healing and rez.
Not only rez has bigger impact in 5v5 but you are forced to always kill her first because with the lack of cc now, there is barely anything that can stop rez.
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I have not complained about Valk in OW2 at all, I love it and hope it stays 
all I’ve complained about is rez.
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Thanks, was really questioning my memory there.
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Can we stop changing Mercy’s healing when people think she needs changes? (moreso when people want buffs).
This back-and-forth along the 50-60HPS range is so old hat.
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And the other supports give MORE value while staying alive just as long. Pros disagree with you, stats disagree with you, and the majority of casual player feedback disagrees with you.
Don’t be sad or shocked if they buff her.
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I figure it’s a simple change they could throw into the beta for about 5 minutes of coding work.
And worst comes to worst it gets reverted to 55hps for Beta #3, when there’s a brew Support hero and people don’t care.
And in the meantime you got tons of Mercy mains flocking to the beta, and normalizing queue times.
But also it would help smooth out the emotional damage from all this SuperJump fuss.
For the good of the devs, they can now improve it between now and the launch of OW2 (October 4), because if it continues as it is now, they will lose many players, one thing is to be a flex and another is to force you to use other supprots because they have killed the yours .
More healing is the last thing OW2 needs.
Balance isn’t about “making people happy” - it’s about making the hero statistically fair.
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Mercy isn’t anywhere near being top tier for healers.
At most this would put her in like B+ tier.
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note: “actual issues regarding lack of self agency over her own value” 100% includes valk.
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Yes it does. It’s the basis of balance that metas change even without balance changes.
That was bad because it went on for literally 2 years, not weeks. 2 years bad, 2 months fine.
It’s only funny if you don’t understand that nerfing is alot easier than buffing. Nerfing is generally a lot easier and healthier to do. Buffs tend to snowball a lot more even in short periods of time and to pin point why something does not work is a lot harder than to pin point why something does.
We’re still in beta 2 and we don’t need to tune Mercy by 5 HP/s right now while big things are happening. Wouldn’t surprise me if we’re looking at more offensive-oriented changes in Beta 3.
People need to stop pretending this beta is even supposed to be balance.
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Honestly I would prefer more utility over healing and just allow the “auto super jump” to be an option that you can turn off or on. Or just make it like it was at the end of the first beta, with some minor tweaks so she can’t stay in the air all the time.
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Never ever going to happen.
Never ever should happen.
You have 55hps. Deal with it.
Try playing non-burst damage VS mercy pocketed anything… feels terrible to play against…
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Yeah, but something complex came be thrown into the patch at the last moment.
I figure they will probably patch the game tomorrow, or next Tuesday at the latest.