Mercy Rework dumbed her down A LOT

[Titanium-1686]

@Ryan-111758

Playing for 4 hours is a lot more than 10 placements and nothing past that.

No, it really isn’t. 21 games is insignificant.

@Ryan-111758

Four hours is plenty of time in a season,

But two hours isn’t?

@Ryan-111758

the fact that this is the basis of this debate right now is kind of yikes.

I’m just following your statements to their logical conclusions.

@Ryan-111758

Because she does. She’s currently diamond even with a duo. I don’t think she’s played solo queue a day in her life except for the time she dropped from GM to diamond.

Then once again, you are mocking them for needing a duo to climb. I could just as easily claim the same for you about the pre-rework Mercy using your own words.

@Ryan-111758

I might actually have screenshots from that time of what the exact SR is, but it’s unimportant as I’m referring to the same time in both of these quotes. I duo’d with Doomcarrot from low masters to 3800-3900 sr. It was a single day of a 9 game winstreak, Idk if I was 3827 or 3879 or 3900 (it was definitely not higher than 3900) but the exact number is unimportant.

Then when in doubt, go with what you said closer to that time rather than trying to sneak another 100 SR in or out of the statement. Or just include the full range.

@Ryan-111758

The rework went live a week or so into the season, I’m referring to pre-rework here

That leads me back to the motivations:

@Titanium-1686

Now let’s talk about season 6. You were a proponent for the Mercy rework as soon as it hit PTR, often using your PTR experience as a lever in debates over the rework on the old forums prior to its introduction to live servers. You vehemently fought against the notion of stopping the rework before it went live. You liked the post-rework Mercy over the pre-rework Mercy, and we know for a fact that you preferred to play on the PTR rather than live servers. Thus, it stands to reason that you never would have played in Season 6 until after the rework went live. Why? Because I also liked the Mercy rework at the time (albeit I was much more conflicted about it) and I played nothing but the PTR until it went live. It’s safe to assume the same for you, unless…

…You switched back to live servers to play with some friends. It wouldn’t surprise me, considering that you were willing to do so around that time period

@Ryan-111758

“a mere 7 hours” LOL 24 games on Mercy isn’t a lot of playtime when you only need to play 25 games to be eligible for top500? Alright

Correct. 24 games in a single season is nothing. That means you are playing less than one game every two days on average for that season. I played for 10 hours in season 6, and that was nothing. 50 hours was typical for me.

@Ryan-111758

But were you boosted by other people? Since you’re throwing baseless accustations at me and grasping for straws maybe I should turn it around and do the same? None of your SR is valid because you’re boosted by people even though I have literally no proof

How’s that?

Depends, can you find any evidence to suggest that? I’m playing devil’s advocate here. I found evidence for my claims. Sure, the claims ended up being wrong (other than the Moth Meta assertions), but at least I had evidence to support mine.

I’m interested now; can you do that same? I’ll entertain the accusation if you can find something to support it.

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but I’m being quite agile in my accusations toward you. If one thing doesn’t work, I’ll just move onto the next thing. Question me, and I’ll question you. I don’t care how.

@Ryan-111758

Are you not aware that hero bans have been in affect all seasons creating forced metas every week and artificially inflating pickrates? Mercy has been the consistently lowest pick support in Gm for the last year and a half since the HPS nerf, with only Zen sometimes falling below her for a few weeks at a time.\

Yes, I am aware. Also, it’s not just Zenyatta; Moira and Baptiste have repeatedly dropped below Mercy in GM and have actually been consistently below her for the past month.

@Ryan-111758

You could have been super high GM in season 6 when Mercy was gamebreaking OP? Wowee, you’re so good, you got me there!!!

You didn’t make it to GM until the last week of the season. You can mock that assertion if you like, but clearly it’s more than you could say.

@Ryan-111758

Again, I hit my peak and got top 228 in Season 9 after her January nerfs hit, I was not playing an OP character

Except you were.

Would 60 HPS be overpowered now? I have no idea, given the support changes we’ve gotten since then. But there is absolutely no question about it that Mercy was overpowered with 60 HPS and E-rez for the first half of 2018.

We Need to Dispel Some Myths About Mercy

Is Mercy overpowered? The short answer to this is “probably”. I’m not one for half-measures, so I’m giving you a longer answer as well. Let’s head over to Overbuff to check out Mercy’s statistics. Starting simple, Mercy’s overall competitive pickrate for this month is 11.08%. What does that mean? Nothing. Statistics without context or precision don’t indicate anything. To throw in some context, Mercy’s competitive pickrate before her latest nerf in was around 15%. You can see this by looking …

@Ryan-111758

Err…none of these are pros except Dafran.

At the time they were. They participated in tournaments with cash prizes involved; that’s professional play. They weren’t OWL pros because the OWL wasn’t a thing back then.

@Ryan-111758

It says I’m proud at not only holding my own in 4400 MMR games in Season 9 when every single OWL team was in LA on my servers, but carried/did well enough to finish top200 with a 66% winrate. Sue me, I’m proud!

Proud of something that is basically a given when playing in 3800+.

Okay. Whatever floats your boat.

@Ryan-111758

The only “half truths” have been mixing up numbers or being some SR off. All of your accusations about me duoing with people on my main to get back to GM or to get to top500 in the first place are all just false and I disproved them already

Except my first one.

@Titanium-1686

It makes me laugh how Mercy players are saying the post-rework Mercy is more skillful than pre-rework while flaunting their career high that occurred after Moth Meta because they couldn’t get there before it. It’s almost as if the pre-rework Mercy required more skill from the player.

Honestly, it wasn’t supposed to be directed specifically at you; I wasn’t even certain whether or not you climbed to GM prior to the rework in the first place; but this conversation has basically proved my point to absolutely apply to you.

@Ryan-111758

You also came after my rank first, remember that

Nope.

Your first reply in this thread, over 100 replies before my first reply, included this:

@Ryan-111758

It makes me laugh how Mercy players in low ranks call it “easy” and say it “removes all skill from her” yet they never know how/when to ult and use it correctly and it’s funny to watch them throw away all of it’s value every time they use it.

I have gone on record multiple times and called it easy. About 1/8th of my megapost is devoted specifically to that point. You attack a group of people who think that Valkyrie is easy by bring up rank and suggesting that they don’t know how to use the ability. This is a group of people I sympathize with. I am one of the people who thinks knows that Valkyrie is brain-dead easy to use. By attacking them, you are attacking me. You bring up ranks in the same breath as knowing how to use a particular ability, the implication clearly being that if someone does not know how to use the ability correctly (IE: They disagree with you), then they are low-ranked. I was not low-ranked, so that is an attack on the legitimacy of my previous rank.

In response, I created a generalization of my own that was an attack on the legitimacy of your rank. Your accusation wasn’t tailored specifically to me, so my accusation wasn’t tailored specifically to you. I made sure my accusation followed a very similar structure:

@Titanium-1686

It makes me laugh how Mercy players are saying the post-rework Mercy is more skillful than pre-rework while flaunting their career high that occurred after Moth Meta because they couldn’t get there before it. It’s almost as if the pre-rework Mercy required more skill from the player.

This is reciprocal retaliation.

Your next response was a direct attack tailored to me. You weren’t just questioning the validity of my rank; you were questioning the validity of my rank.

@Ryan-111758

Maybe worry about your own since you hit GM during the time Mercy had an SR exploit going for her?

To which, I responded by questioning not just the validity of your rank, but the validity of your rank.

Once again, reciprocal retaliation.

Had you not brought up rank with a generalization that includes myself, I would not have responded with another generalization, and we wouldn’t be playing tit-for-tat here in the first place.

Or maybe it’s just me playing tit-for-tat. I have no idea what you’re doing.

Anyway, if you hadn’t opened with a generalization, we wouldn’t be in this mess. No injury has been received on my end, and I don’t feel committed to any of the arguments I have presented in regards to your rank; if you retract your generalizations and accusations regarding ranks, I will do the same with mine.