"Mercy Players Caused The Rework!" | 10 Reasons Why That's WRONG ❤

[KazTehOne-1516]

@Reverendpaqo-1797

I still don’t see any point where you’ve addressed this fact

See, here’s the thing. You say I never addressed that, then the next thing you quote from me is exactly that. Me addressing it.

@KazTehOne-1516

The fact you even look at it as a competition is telling. Forums are for discussion, when a thread is created you would hope that discussion stays in that thread. The problem is not so much that people aren’t listening. The problem is more so, people are tired of listening. It’s been this way for a year now. At least 50 new threads a day all discussing the same topics, the same talking points, and even so much as the same people doing it constantly.

Also, what fact? That the vocal minority want to be vocal and make multiple threads all saying the same thing they could have said as a reply in an already made thread. What would you like me to address about this fact that I haven’t already said?

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Titanium has a list of copy/paste responses to the exact same points that keep getting posted.

Titanium also does a wonderful job of creating fallacies in many of those responses, with obscured facts that reference them self. Again, you really need to find a different manifesto.

Mercy doesn't heal too much (with stats!)

… you just click gm>primary Potential in one valk is not a model of reality. Having 3-5 valks per game with that kind of potential is. Yet, you don’t. You know mercy’s overall average across all elo’s. Given the general consensus among most mercy mains on this forum all think Valk is a useless ult, we can determine pretty easily the average mercy player doesn’t realize how powerful valk really is. Gm is the what, top 4%. diamond is anywhere between 25 to 15%. The average isn’t going to cha…

13 nerfs aint "in a good spot"

Actually, Moira and Tracer have better escapes. Mercy has more mobility, but Moira has the best escape. Which has been the case since season 4 at the very least. Probably going as far back as season 2. Moira, Brigitte, and Lucio all have better midfight self-sustain than Mercy, looking at the support category. And then there’s Roadhog. Counting a single thing 3 different times doesn’t mean it counts as more than 1 thing. Thanks to E-rez. Oh wait, there’s the problem. Fixed that for y…

Mercy's Situation is NOT fair!

No no no, it’s more like the vast majority of users all agreed Mercy’s res was a problem, and it got recognized by pro players who said the same thing and blizzard agreed promoting your main healer to hide throughout a team fight was a terrible strategy that shouldn’t be encouraged in a game like overwatch. Even now you’ll only find this bring back mass res movement on these forums. More people just want to see her balanced, without the devs having to worry about more backlash from the mercy m…

I’ve been up and down with most of their talking points. You can read the discussions yourself. How about instead of depending on somebody else’s poor copy paste arguments that have been proven wrong, try having an genuine discussion with somebody. I use you in the general sense here, for the record.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

stick to consistent logic, and often reference sources or simple logic to rationalize the stance.

You sure we’re talking about the same person?

@Reverendpaqo-1797

I see significantly less of that when Titanium posts a link to another thread

Probably because they’re a ban baiter. Even you are putting them on a pedestal right now. If you disagree with them, they will riddle you with fallacies and the large following of mercy mains they have mass false flag anyone with a differing opinion. Honestly, those threads are echo chambers.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

This is straightforward logic. Nothing about it says I agree or disagree with doing so, but feel free to point out where I said I agree the OP needed to make their own topic.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Seeing as there are a huge number of people who believe Mercys did was the rework, and Titanium gets crap for copy/pasting responses to the same falsehoods or relevant topics that keep being claimed but doesn’t when linking to a thread, apparently that makes the answer “yes”.

This is actually just circular logic.

1. Person won’t listen to a direct reply
2. Make thread that replies to their talking points indirectly
3. People still don’t listen and more think it’s ridiculous
4. But because the thread had to be made means that original person wasn’t listening to begin with.
5. Because the person wasn’t listening, the thread had to be made

repeat.

Straightforward logic would be along the lines of, if this person is genuinely trying to have a discussion, continue replying to them directly in that thread. If the person seems like a troll, don’t bother with them.

Or recognize

@KazTehOne-1516

The problem is not so much that people aren’t listening. The problem is more so, people are tired of listening. It’s been this way for a year now. At least 50 new threads a day all discussing the same topics, the same talking points, and even so much as the same people doing it constantly.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

You completely ignored the part where the main thread for Mercy discussion keeps getting deliberately shut down to prevent discussion in it.

About this, actually. Has anyone actually said who is legitimately doing it? The familiar suspects keep saying trolls report the thread and it gets closed. But which trolls and why? With the mega thread, there is a lot less Mercy talking points that have been discussed to death a million times clogging up the front page and the forums in general. Meanwhile, I remember vividly how much certain people wanted the mercy mega thread gone so they could be heard again as they thought the mega thread was a void that gets ignored… which, it probably was but that’s besides the point.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

You also actively ignored the fact that it was metaphorical speech and instead used selective literal interpretation to make the claim I’m treating this like a competition

If that’s truly the case, my apologizes. However,

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Can’t win if you post a full reply, can’t win if you post a copy/paste, can’t win if you post a link. Y’all have made it a net loss no matter what any of us do, so frankly, we stopped giving a crap about pleasing the unpleasable.

tells a very different story.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

That is kind of exactly what I’m talking about in regards to not wanting an actual discussion

No, this is you doing some of the following:

@KazTehOne-1516

Although if you choose to lump in people who do intend to try and have a reasonable discussion as trolls, it’s no wonder you get confused. Anybody who has a differing opinion against the mass amount of Mercy main echo chamber in this forums is usually only met with mass flagging, dogpiling, name calling. More often than not the most vocal of the Mercy mains who make long drawn out threads resort to fallacies and ban baiting when there talking points are challenged.

See. I pointed out a flaw in your logic, how you’ve created an us vs them mindset to justify spamming the forums with threads like this and titanium’s. You immediately attack one sentence in that entire paragraph where I fully admit i pointed this out, and then you completely ignored the rest of that paragraph. Even going on to say I didn’t address the points that very same paragraph addressed.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

There are no mental gymnastics here.

You fooled me.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Simply following the logical path of discussion based on context and not selectively interpreting things to turn it into the response I want in order to turn it back at you.

You sure?

@Reverendpaqo-1797

t is polite to return the same consideration if in fact you actually want to discuss something. Else, if one party is attempting and the other is not, it’s not a discussion; it’s fruitlessly talking at someone.

I completely agree.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

So, I’ll take the lack of response as a “no”.

If you choose to ignore it, thats on you. It’s no wonder you think people aren’t listening to your replies so you need to make new threads indirectly replying to those very same people and get validation from likeminded people who agree with you. You just completely ignore them to begin with. You are actually projecting right now.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Also still looking for a response to this.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

You have to acknowledge that if you are constantly bombarded with that, you WILL get jaded and respond in such. If your place to discuss the state of Mercy is perpetually locked and inaccessible, where else do you post it? Show me where discussions can be posted within the discussion thread when the discussion thread is inaccessible for posting in. This is why its spilling over into the rest of the forums more and more.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

That is why many of us stopped giving a crap; no matter what we say it is twisted against us and the context of the discussion is discarded for pettyness. No matter what we link or what we day there is a demand for evidence that no source will ever be good enough to prove, and fallacious logic and strawmen for everything said.

Just so you can’t say I didn’t address this.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

If your place to discuss the state of Mercy is perpetually locked and inaccessible, where else do you post it?

How about instead of depending on somebody else’s poor copy paste arguments that have been proven wrong, try having an genuine discussion with somebody.

[BenjaminWolf-1990]

Honestly it doesn’t matter if she was overpowered or not at first. The fact they changed it to appease the actual majority and not the vocal minority was a great decision, and opened up her playstyle much more. The problem came about when she was clearly to powerful, but every time they tweaked her Mercy mains would throw another fit in the forums. Eventually you just stop touching that hero

The majority never asked for a re-work, yes there was an SR exploit… there will always be an exploit when rank is given based on stats. People tend to find out which stat is most important and inflate that stat to gain more rank. They chose to re-work a entire character instead of changing the rank system, they changed the rank system after the train wreck re-work was released.

I suppose if you fail to include the entire rework of momentum in overwatch that gave mercy the ability to fly, created the bug that allowed her to bunny hop which eventually got turned into a feature, and increased her survivability which she desperately needed, yeah no compensation whats so ever.

People didn’t ask for a re-work… I feel like that is the part you fail to see. A good portion of the community warned them that their re-work was going to break the game… they didn’t do any internal testing to see what their re-work was going to do to the game as a whole. That’s painfully obvious, as obvious as the unstoppable Bastion update they pushed to live.

[KazTehOne-1516]

The majority never asked for a re-work

I never said they did. However, the majority did want something done about mass res. The rework was the result of that.

they changed the rank system after the train wreck re-work was released.

Wait did they really? I don’t remember that. I just remember them getting rid of personal performance based sr in diamond and above so things like that didn’t happen again.

If you do want to rally for a rework of the ranking system, I’m right there with you. Competitive is a mess.

People didn’t ask for a re-work… I feel like that is the part you fail to see

No i have made it abundantly clear that people wanted something done with mass res, not that people wanted a rework. You can continue beating on this strawman but the fact remains.

Edit: In fact, I’ve even gone into detail about my position in this very thread.

Indeed. Was a rework neccessary though? No.

Personally, I agree. With that being said, I understand why they did it. At the time, temp ressing was nearly unheard of for how little play time mercy actually got in high elo. The most common mercy mains people saw was those exploiting the sr system at the time.

I even liked the exact same comment you did

They knew of what seems to be a bug and instead of facing it head on, decided to scrap a whole hero concept. Their intention of removing “Hide n Res” was sound but the execution was revolting and I can not possibly understand why they’d go to an ultimate concept that was scrapped during the beta for a reason.

So not sure why you felt the need to reply to me with a strawman.

[RevertMercy-1304]

@KazTehOne-1516

Titanium also does a wonderful job of creating fallacies in many of those responses, with obscured facts that reference them self. Again, you really need to find a different manifesto.

Wait… What about Titanium’s post you’ve included is a “fallacy?” If we look into the context, it sounds like they were dispelling your own fallacies with Mercy.

@KazTehOne-1516

No I can promise you it’s not. This is a hero that has

The best escape on the lowest cooldown
The best healing average with the easiest healing mechanics
The best self sustain with the best escape
The best escape with the best utility

And an ultimate that makes everything she’s already the best at even better. Res on E isn’t the problem. Her kit is bloated, and that’s a problem.

While some of these are true (for example best healing average). A lot of your other points are simply incorrect:

“An ultimate that makes everything she’s the best at better.”

Have you ever tried to res while in valkyrie? It’s certainly not better. It’s worse…

Guardian Angel is also situational. If you have no team mates to GA to, would you say that she still has the “best utility and escape?” I certainly wouldn’t. Moira on the other hand can use her Fade at any time, the moment it’s cool-down resets. I would argue that that has a lot more utility, as it’s not dependent on team mates in order to function.

@KazTehOne-1516

Even now you’ll only find this bring back mass res movement on these forums. More people just want to see her balanced, without the devs having to worry about more backlash from the mercy main community

Wait… Do you know how the devs feel? Do you have documented proof of them making a statement that they actually “worry about more backlash from mercy mains?” What makes you believe that this “Mass res movement” only exists in the forums? Have you checked every part of the internet to make such a claim? What makes Titanium a “manifesto?” Have you not seen the thousands of posts people have made in the 10+ Mercy megathreads? A lot of what they mention with mercy references ideas from other people as well, so how would that qualify them as being a “manifesto?” Otherwise, your post is merely subjective claims, are they not?

I mean, if we’re going to talk about fallacies and self-referenced obscure facts, It would probably be a good idea to make sure that you’re not making subjective opinions as if they are fact either, first and foremost.

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~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

[BadWidowEU-2419]

So not sure why you felt the need to reply to me with a strawman.

Just wanted to point out I can’t relate with this:

I understand why they did it.

I can not possibly understand

[KazTehOne-1516]

@RevertMercy-1304

Wait… What about Titanium’s post you’ve included is a “fallacy?” If we look into the context, it sounds like they were dispelling your own fallacies with Mercy.

Did you not bother to read the 3 posts I linked where i had discussions with them? albeit, in other peoples threads. No of course you didn’t.

Though, if you want me to comment on their newest thread specifically, right away their first argument is opinion.

@Titanium-1686

Resurrect is currently the reason Mercy is overpowered.

Even as an opinion it doesn’t hold much ground as now Mercy still has her “overpowered” resurrect, yet she’s not a must pick anymore. You can already argue that resurrection as it has been is fine.

Their hole write up about resurrect is an argument based on personal opinion.

Their first actual source on the matter:

@Titanium-1686

“We tried to move Resurrection to a secondary ability, and the ability, right now, in current Overwatch, isn’t playing out as a secondary ability; it’s playing out like another ultimate ability”

Developer Update | Popular Community Topics | Overwatch

They use a false attribution fallacy. What Titanium quoted specifically is out of context. Had they left in the context:

“We tried to move Resurrection to a secondary ability, and the ability, right now, in current Overwatch, isn’t playing out as a secondary ability; it’s playing out like another ultimate ability in combination with valkery which is extremely powerful. So mercy needs to be toned down.

My favorite part is next:

I know there are a lot of Mercy mains. Mercy is by far the most played hero in the game, um, and the community is absolutely vocal. We know how much you love this hero. If we tone her down too much, we will bring her back.

Mercy was still clearly overpowered after that patch, and was still a must pick:

Overwatch Patch Notes

but of course, you cant please the unpleasable. Mercy was still in a great spot and yet their was even more backlash from Mercy mains.

Should I continue?

@RevertMercy-1304

While some of these are true (for example best healing average). A lot of your other points are simply incorrect:

“An ultimate that makes everything she’s the best at better.”

Have you ever tried to res while in valkyrie? It’s certainly not better. It’s worse…

Comparative to mass res, yeah it’s not as good. I’m glad you took that quote out of context specifically to try and compare it to something it wans’t intended to be compared to. With that being said, it does make everything she’s the best at… or at least was the best at, at the time, even better.

• Her regen was unstoppable - better.
• Chain healing increases her already the best at the time healing average - even better.
• Aoe damage boost - better.
• Guardian Angel’s range is extended. - better.
• Mercy’s healing beam is extended. - better.
• Her overall move speed increases. - better.

@RevertMercy-1304

Guardian Angel is also situational. If you have no team mates to GA to, would you say that she still has the “best utility and escape?”

For one, escape’s are not utility, so no I wouldn’t consider GA best utility. Utility is something that’s beneficial to the team. With that out of the way, I would say that an ability that brings you 30m+bunny hop is better than one that brings you 15m. I would say an ability that takes you multi-directional is better than one that doesn’t. I would say an ability that guarantee’s you be placed in a 2 v 1 situation is better. I would say an ability on 1.5 seconds is better than ability on 6 seconds.

If you consider an ability that depends on your team, bad, in a team based fps? I’m sorry, but I just don’t share that opinion. The only perceivable way this is a downside, is if your teams bad, in which case you were never going to win anyway. You were severely out of position, in which case you should be punished, as every other hero can be, including flankers. Even one of tracers blink charges is on a 3 second cool down. Or your team’s been wiped and your the last one alive which happened to be the go to strategy playing around Mercy because her mobility was so ridiculous that it was better to kill off her team than play cat and mouse with her.

And before you even try and make a gotchu argument out of this by taking these quotes out of context. I’m actually glad she has that mobility, it’s her means of survival and she needs it. I am actually tired of people trying to downplay it though.

@RevertMercy-1304

Wait… Do you know how the devs feel?

I know there are a lot of Mercy mains. Mercy is by far the most played hero in the game, um, and the community is absolutely vocal. We know how much you love this hero. If we tone her down too much, we will bring her back.

Seems they already know their will be a Vocal community who loves this hero So much so they need to reassure they’re Keeping an eye on her and will bring her back.

Funny enough a few of these are talking points that were said in multiple dev updates either in video or on the forums, and even then it was used as fodder against the devs.

@RevertMercy-1304

What makes you believe that this “Mass res movement” only exists in the forums?

I can tell you right now reddit seemingly has a much larger overwatch community than people who participate in these forums. Mostly because they know these forums are an echo chamber. The popular opinion is pretty clear there, on r/overwatch and r/competitive overwatch, mercy is in a better spot now than she was with mass res. People just want to see her balanced for the most part.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/9arg9l/i_am_the_underrepresented_i_love_current_mercy/?st=jls744hk&sh=19929866

This thread was posted like 10 days ago. I actually just googled mass res reddit.

@RevertMercy-1304

What makes Titanium a “manifesto?

You actually just took a play from their book and made a thread to reply to a person so you could gain more visibility in a reply to said person from like minded people.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Seeing as there are a huge number of people who believe Mercys did was the rework, and Titanium gets crap for copy/pasting responses to the same falsehoods or relevant topics that keep being claimed but doesn’t when linking to a thread, apparently that makes the answer “yes”.

Even this person caught it. Then you go on to defend Titanium’s thread while it’s riddled with fallacies and inaccuracies, but you don’t care to actually pay attention to those because they agree with your viewpoint for the most part.

@RevertMercy-1304

your post is merely subjective claims, are they not?

Perhaps there was some slight hyperbole initially, but it’s actually scary how it becomes more apparent as this thread went on.

@RevertMercy-1304

I mean, if we’re going to talk about fallacies and self-referenced obscure facts, It would probably be a good idea to make sure that you’re not making subjective opinions as if they are fact either

See, the difference here is I never actually once stated it was fact, or even presented it as such. What I did say:

@KazTehOne-1516

Don’t get me started about titanium. Y’all should really find a new manifesto.

In response to somebody who’s defending your use of titanium’s methods, with the defense that it works when titanium does it, which, it really doesn’t even then.

@RevertMercy-1304

~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

God this is pretentious.

@BadWidowEU-2419

Just wanted to point out I can’t relate with this:

@BadWidowEU-2419

Just wanted to point out I can’t relate with this:

That’s fair. I agreed with this part rather than the whole.

@BadWidowEU-2419

They knew of what seems to be a bug and instead of facing it head on, decided to scrap a whole hero concept. Their intention of removing “Hide n Res” was sound but the execution was revolting

My understanding of why they did it comes from

@KazTehOne-1516

At the time, temp ressing was nearly unheard of for how little play time mercy actually got in high elo. The most common mercy mains people saw was those exploiting the sr system at the time.

I linked your comment in response to somebody else. I’m sorry if you thought I was saying that part to you directly.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Even as an opinion it doesn’t hold much ground as now Mercy still has her “overpowered” resurrect, yet she’s not a must pick anymore.

That’s because they gave her a huge nerf to her base kit… Before that, all the nerfs did absolutely nerfing because only 2 of them were to Resurrect on E. (Excluding the iteration of Resurrect in Valkyrie)

[KazTehOne-1516]

That’s because they gave her a huge nerf to her base kit

You could say they simply balanced her around her new form of utility that she previously didn’t have. As well she still has her increased survivability. They gave her the potential to be more than just a heal bot in exchange for nerfing her healing that she was by far the best at. Even then, they didn’t nerf the core of her healing as it’s still the most consistent single target healing in the game. She’s still the go to hero for pharmercy comps and sniper comps, which are still very much viable.

They basicaly got rid of mass res and put mercy in a better spot than she previously was, while making sure she maintained her original niche that she had before the rework.

The one downside is mass res was clearly more flashy than valk.

[Star-13549]

You think the game is in a healthy spot?
How in any way did Valk make things better for ANYONE?
In ANY iteration. From Valk1.0 to what we have now, the amount of rage this ult has caused is the exact OPPOSITE of health.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

They gave her the potential to be more than just a heal bot in exchange for nerfing her healing that she was by far the best at.

How does that make sense when Valkyrie just makes her a better heal bot?

Even then, they didn’t nerf the core of her healing as it’s still the most consistent single target healing in the game.

Consistently sh*t. (Sorry I had to…) Personally, I think consistency is not relevant if the heals are bad. E.g: 40heals per second but they are consistent… Doesn’t make it good.

She’s still the go to hero for pharmercy comps and sniper comps, which are still very much viable.

Pharmercy on PC is a joke. As for sniper meta, think dive will be coming back because of Hammond. Then there’s GOATs which Mercy is absolutely horrible in.

They basicaly got rid of mass res and put mercy in a better spot than she previously was

In terms of balance, Mercy was in a good spot before her rework. In terms of power, yes, reworked Mercy put her in a better place but most of us don’t want a ridiculously powerful hero.

The one downside is mass res was clearly more flashy than valk.

Also the fact that Valkyrie has everything but the trade off being, it isn’t efficient at anything except flight.

[Xaron-1831]

I like that the lists literally have the evidence with them, and yet you still call it fake.

[Beschiss-1961]

Evidence that is 100% anecdotal and generalizes millions of players?

[KazTehOne-1516]

How does that make sense when Valkyrie just makes her a better heal bot?

You and I both know you’re not healing anybody through most damage with valk. Which is why it’s best used offensively. You and me have had this discussion before.

Personally, I think consistency is not relevant if the heals are bad

She still heals more than Ana on average? How is that bad? because it’s not 14-17k per game like it used to be. I guess I can see how you would find that bad, when you’re so used to something being too good.

40heals per second but they are consistent… Doesn’t make it good.

People still like to run Zen in diamond and above. Consistent healing isn’t something you should be trying to downplay.

Pharmercy on PC is a joke

Pharmercy, one of the best strats that’s been viable every meta ever. Is a joke. You’re starting to let your bais talk now. Stop it or this conversation is over. I’m not doing this again with you.

In terms of balance, Mercy was in a good spot before her rework.

Arguable. Sr exploit aside perhaps. Even then she was still rather weak.

In terms of power, yes, reworked Mercy put her in a better place but most of us don’t want a ridiculously powerful hero.

There’s a difference between ridiculously powered, which is basically Mercy for the last year… And having the power adjusted in her kit.

Also the fact that Valkyrie has everything but the trade off being, it isn’t efficient at anything except flight.

Also the fact that Valkyrie has everything but the trade off being, it isn’t efficient at anything except flight.

• Her regen was unstoppable - better.
• Chain healing increases her already the best at the time healing average - even better.
• Aoe damage boost - better.
• Guardian Angel’s range is extended. - better.
• Mercy’s healing beam is extended. - better.
• Her overall move speed increases. - better.

Isn’t efficient at anything? Your bias is talking again. You like mass res, it felt more impactful. I already know your opinion on this. That doesn’t mean Valk is bad, especially when you refuse to adapt to it’s applications.

[Xaron-1831]

I mean, dev comments physically aren’t anectodal. Open threads literally labled “Mercy players are a cult” isn’t anectodal. Countering someone saying “I saw they did” with “I saw they didn’t” is an anectode against an anectdote, which shows the hypocracy of it. People knew Mercy for Rez, not for consistent healing and mobility. People do say Res was OP, when the stats show it wasn’t. Where exactly are you seeing this anectodal evidence?

[Badarm-2748]

I love how this thread now has more exposure than the one it’s replying to.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

You and I both know you’re not healing anybody through most damage with valk. Which is why it’s best used offensively.

Temporarily become a BTEC Supercharger. I am aware.

She still heals more than Ana on average? How is that bad? because it’s not 14-17k per game like it used to be. I guess I can see how you would find that bad, when you’re so used to something being too good.

60HP was never too good… She was fine for quite a while with it. (Pre-rework)

People still like to run Zen in diamond and above. Consistent healing isn’t something you should be trying to downplay.

I find it hard to believe that Zen is picked because of his heals.

Pharmercy, one of the best strats that’s been viable every meta ever. Is a joke. You’re starting to let your bais talk now. Stop it or this conversation is over. I’m not doing this again with you.

I play on console and I’m bashing a strategy that is the go to on console. Hardly biased. It’s just that I’ve played on PC (3300+) and PharMercy just doesn’t work against anyone if the enemy team has atleast one hitscan.

Arguable. Sr exploit aside perhaps. Even then she was still rather weak.

True but small tweaks here and there could’ve fixed that. It wouldn’t take 14 consecutive nerfs.

Isn’t efficient at anything?

Sorry, should’ve specified. It isn’t efficient in the sense that it doesn’t do much to impact the fight.

The only real thing impacting the fight in a noticeable way is AoE heals and extended beams.

You like mass res, it felt more impactful. I already know your opinion on this.

Cool.

That doesn’t mean Valk is bad, especially when you refuse to adapt to it’s applications.

Turn yourself into a temporarily Supercharger? Nah, I just go Orisa for that.

[Beschiss-1961]

“People knew Mercy for rez” That is anectotal and impossible to actually prove.

“People do say rez was OP” Sure people do, but does everyone?

Unless you survey every active OW on the state of mercy and give me stats everything is anecdotal. That’s how logic based arguments work.

[KazTehOne-1516]

Temporarily become a BTEC Supercharger. I am aware.

Didn’t know supercharger could switch to heal in extended team fights, or could move around lol. This is the exact same argument titanium makes and i’ve already been up and down with that.

60HP was never too good… She was fine for quite a while with it. (Pre-rework)

Personally I agree, pre rework of course. Once they nerfed ana’s bio-nade, Mercy and Ana were relatively balanced healing wise around each other. 60hp, x 5 on the other hand. It also gave way to make winston actually useless against anybody mercy was pocketing. It still gives way to negate any damage Moira’s doing to somebody with grasp. Both of which were far from meta or just completely didn’t exist at the time, so it was never a noticeable issue.

I find it hard to believe that Zen is picked because of his heals.

No, he most certainly isn’t picked solely because of his heals, however, his heals are good enough that it’s worth trading the healing he does lack for the damage you do gain from having him on your team.

It’s just that I’ve played on PC (3300+) and PharMercy just doesn’t work against anyone if the enemy team has atleast one hitscan.

You mean to say pharmercy doesn’t work when people actually pick to counter it? The horror lol. For real though, Pharmercy has been a viable comp every single meta. Of course not the most dominant, but one that does work when played optimally. Mostly map specific in the pro scene.

True but small tweaks here and there could’ve fixed that. It wouldn’t take 14 consecutive nerfs.

Not sure why you’re fixated on how many nerfs or buffs it takes. Play a moba for a month and you’ll almost double that. I agree mass res mercy could have been worked around to give it counter play and such, but at the time Overwatch was a very different game.

The only real thing impacting the fight in a noticeable way is AoE heals and extended beams.

Take out your pistol and take out that widow nobodies been paying attention too. It’s actually possible now.

Turn yourself into a temporarily Supercharger? Nah, I just go Orisa for that.

Turn yourself into a temporarily Supercharger? Nah, I just go Orisa for that.

Last I checked, Orisa doesn’t also provide healing, damage boost without ult, and resurrect on 30 seconds, but I mean hey, if you can pull it off go for it.

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“People knew Mercy for rez” That is anectotal and impossible to actually prove.

Actually… No it isn’t.

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Didn’t know supercharger could switch to heal in extended team fights, or could move around lol.

I’m sorry, when you say play Valkyrie offensively, the first time I’m going to assume is that you’d need to use your damage beams way more than your healing beams.

No, he most certainly isn’t picked solely because of his heals, however, his heals are good enough that it’s worth trading the healing he does lack for the damage you do gain from having him on your team.

I only ever pick him for that juicy discord.

You mean to say pharmercy doesn’t work when people actually pick to counter it? The horror lol. For real though, Pharmercy has been a viable comp every single meta. Of course not the most dominant, but one that does work when played optimally. Mostly map specific in the pro scene.

You’re acting as if the idea of countering heroes is unnatural. Fortunately, people will do anything to win.

I agree mass res mercy could have been worked around to give it counter play and such, but at the time Overwatch was a very different game.

Overwatch getting more heroes and maps does not make it a different game. It’s always going to be a FPMOBA.

Take out your pistol and take out that widow nobodies been paying attention too. It’s actually possible now.

And risk losing value from damage boost and heals? Also, something like DPSing as Mercy is quite risky since it isn’t guaranteed to give you value out of your ultimate. It’s also a easy way to throw a fight.

Last I checked, Orisa doesn’t also provide healing, damage boost without ult, and resurrect on 30 seconds, but I mean hey, if you can pull it off go for it.

Atleast she doesn’t get turned into her ultimate… I’d much rather prefer 50% dmg boost whilst playing my kit as normal over Valkyrie.