Mercy mains dont make sense when they say she "isnt fun anymore"


#114

Mercy was fun because she was the target, the enemy had to care you existed either because of mass rez or decent healing. Now? Just shoot at who she is healing because the yellow beam just means a two for one deal with a pretty yellow line marking your next victim.

She is a Tracer that can’t shoot back, hoping you will chase/find her like old times and stop killing her team, but alas even standing in front of Rein shielded team gets no bite these days. Mercy is now the small child that has to watch her parents die over and over and over again.


#115

You’re not very good at using it then

Yes you do, I frequently use it to go help a teammate that’s gone a bit too far to keep them alive.


#116

No, actually I am. Not the best, but I get a lot of super risky and sneaky rezzes off. Doesn’t make me enjoy using the ability any more though, the quicksand feeling is still there, but I have to to make full use of her kit. It’s still insanenly valuable to bring someone back. Sometimes I spin around really fast, that makes it a teensy bit better.

I said “almost”. Also, you still hover somewhere way out of the effective range of most DPS. I mean, why wouldn’t you? You have the tools to be harder to kill, might as well use them since you’ve got nothing better to do while still being able to provide support.
I also pop it immediately if I hear Genji is jumping into the enemy team with his ult, to support him when I’m too far away. It still feels like a spectator mode without it’s synergy with Resurrect. I’m not saying to bring that back, it was way overpowered. I’m saying that it was likely designed with that synergy and without it, it feels lacklustre.

Actually, sometimes you have an incentive to get into the fight, I had this recently. It was when everyone else was dead and I had to swoosh around the point to stall for their respawns. That was actually exciting Valkyrie gameplay, although a very rare occasion for me. And being the annoying mosquito, that’s flying around and cannot be killed does not feel like it was the design concept of this ability. :man_shrugging:


#117

Yeah, see I never saw the actual thread, only people who quoted a snippet from it a few times.

Touche. And this says a lot about how the vocal minority can skew your perception of something. Just going by the relentless Mercy Main forum threads and hijacking, it really seems to be cut-and-dried.

It looks like we need to start getting other Mercy Mains to speak up and contradict them, because the vocal minority is really making Mercy Mains look bad.


#118

The reason why it seemed like every Mercy player wanted them reverted is probably because of the #RevertMercy movement that spawned a while back. I always felt like it encompassed the entire range of Mercy change opinions, but I can see how people would get hung up on it.

But, Mercy mains have been speaking up and contradicting that phrase. Even back when this whole debacle started and even during the moth meta, people have been theory crafting a Mercy 3.0 and Mercy 1.5. But I can reasonably understand why so few people actually know that. (Those discussions are burried in huge megathreads).

The only thing I can say about that now is that the most popular post of all-time on this forum is a thread talking about Mercy’s current problems and a potential solution for it. If you want you could hit that up. Sort General Discussion by Top and set filter to All-Time. There’s a reason why it’s number one.

You’re a cool dude, thx for listening. :slight_smile: I had just assumed since you knew the stat you had read the survey thread.


#119

Here’s the whole section for context. Should’ve added that in. :sweat_smile:

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#120

Assuming that the, repeats, clarifications, and inevitable trolls are Mercy mains is just that, an assumption. Please refrain from making such assumptions. :blush:
Also, can you prove that we’re the vocal minority without proving that you’re also the vocal minority? :slight_smile: Thanks in advance.


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#121

Think of it like this: an ultimate should (in theory) be a hero’s moment to shine and have an impact in the midst of a fight.

Mercy… lacks that. Flight is nice and all, but it just reminds me too much of free roam spectator cams in TF2. The chain healing only on average gets 2 sometimes 3 team mates since everyone tends to scatter. Her passive being more active is kind of nice and if your going combat Mercy your team will more than likely loose the fight. (if not faster)

It’s funny how it’s the only transformation ult that doesn’t change anything about her really, she plays the exact same way… just airborne.


#122

The decision making for her old ult was not the grand strategic hardcore choice that a lot of Mercy mains make it out to be.


#123

How to fix Mercy? Eliminate CD for rez during Valk


#124

The point is, it made the player’s experience more engaging. :slight_smile:


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#125

Dont really think this is true. The reality is that “bring back mass rez” posts get more traction because people are so against it.

There are plenty of threads/posts/replies of mercy mains not really wanting mass rez back. But those only get replies from mercy players that share the same view, conversations are short because they reach the point of agreement faster.

On the other hand mass rez posts dont just get numbers from mercys that want it but also players that dont want it. The constant argument between the two parties keep a great flow of traction, always bringing those threads back up. Both parties dont want to “lose” he debacle so they keep repeating their words. If people dont engage those types of posts i doubt you’d have the same impression of the forums


#126

Here’s a link to a poll that I and a lot of others participated in! It’s worth the read since, after all, ALL Mercy mains want her to be super strong…

Most Mercy players don’t want her to be OP, because in all fairness, she shouldn’t have dominated for so long, but it isn’t fair to group them all together like it’s what everyone wants.


#127

You were placed with bad Mercy’s then.


#128

Personally speaking, to put it succinctly - Mercy is no longer the de-facto healer. She’s no longer the ‘evasive’ healer. She’s no longer the ‘good’ healer. Her rez is no longer game changing. Everything that made Mercy fit into the ‘straight up healer’ side of things, she’s now the worst at.

I liked Mercy 1.0 because she had some pretty hefty game changing potential. Despite the playstyle being more or less the same as it is now, it added a great deal of evasion and line-of-sight manipulation to her normal gameplay, in order to throw people off of your position so you could actually land a huge rez. While her general kit was pretty meh, it was something that could completely change the game if executed well, and could be countered completely by the opposing team if they were aware of it. It involved a lot of mindgames and figuring out how to play the other team.

Mercy 2.0, whether you think she was overpowered or not, made her incredibly dynamic. She turned from more or less left clicking her teammates the entire game to a hybrid dive healer/dps. Faster guardian angels made her far more dynamic and allowed her to dive and use her pistol more consistently. Several ‘accidental’ techs were found and used to have an incredibly complex movement playstyle -arguably one of the most complex in the entire game. Valkyrie turned her into a fast but fragile dive DPS who could legitimately throw a lot of damage out if her aim was good.

Now, with Mercy 2.5 or whatever, she doesn’t have any of the thrill and game changing potential that Mercy 1.0 had, and she only has a shadow of the hidden techs, mobility, and flexible playstyle that she had in 2.0. She can’t do anything that would realistically be a huge change to the game. A single rez wasn’t a bit thing in 1.0 - it’s still not a big thing in 2.0, no matter what people say. Her GA is slower now, she only has 4 of the original 10 or so techs anymore, and Valkyrie has turned from a sudden change in playstyle to a glorified spectator mode that can realistically only counter a solo pharah reliably.

She realistically doesn’t hold a candle to Ana or Moira now - not because they’re better necessarily, but because they don’t have as many glaring problems with their kit as Mercy does. She’s not good at healing - both Ana and Moira do that far better. She’s not good at damage - Ana and Moira, let alone Lucio and Zen do that far better. She’s not even that mobile anymore since they’ve slowed down GA quite a bit from the 2.0 release.

That’s why I don’t have fun with Mercy anymore.


#129

Here’s a poll. It takes about different ideas for Mercy. Read it. Then make your own opinion instead of saying Mercy players can’t “accept their hero can’t Mass-Rez anymore” when you more than likely do not keep up with the intentions of Mercy.


#130

Then you output even less healing than the other 2 main healers, in which case mercy would be a throw pick.


#131

Mercy was a troll pick before she received the Invulnerability Buff! Also that’s kind of rude to say Mercy mains were boosted because, how is that true for all of them? Literally anyone can be boosted. Sorry to tell you.

Mercy is no longer engaging and has little to no impact on a match anymore.


#132

I mean I could point out how Mercy feels like she has no more impact on the game due to her lack of healing. Or the fact that the Mercy Threads are locked…hm… :thinking:


#133

Lucio and Zen are off-healers—they’re not meant to be a pure, raw source of healing like Mercy is.

Ana is difficult in her own way (having to aim, knowing when to use her nade, etc.) and Moira has good group healing but it is limited.