Mercy is Mary Sue

Overwatch was being criminally investigated so her jumping ship and her comment makes sense. However, I will concede to your final point about not being able to solo carry out a mission. Thanks for the discussion, have a good day!

The viewers did not but we do have the short story but even that short story which was supposed to be HER focus felt more like it was focused on Jack and Ana and was just being told from her perspective.

I dunno, she’s the only hero that can damage boost/enable teammates, she requires a unique skill/mindset for the game compared to every single other hero. She can fly unlike any other flying hero, rezz, have some sassy voicelines, and whip out a pistol to do damage herself.
Personalities are hardly what makes heroes special in-game, and if you actually pay attention to her voice-lines, she me got just as much as pretty much any other hero with as little actual lore as her.

Did Ana steal her magic serum or something which is what she uses in her gun? I think it’s more that they haven’t really bothered to develop her (and dare I say most of the cast) character out that much. Maybe they could give her some sort of resurrect choice, bring back enemy or let them die :thinking: :man_shrugging:t2:

Laws change thats why you cant tie them to right/wrong

it use to be legal to own slaves, yet we look down on people that did… even though it wasnt illegal

what she did was morally correct in an extremely basic manner

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I thought mary sue was a term for a female character who is super powerful and always wins, not through hard work and growing, but bc of lazy plot

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Losing both her parents in the omnic war at a young age? Her affiliation with overwatch in her early life preventing her from re entering the upper parts of her field because no one wants the controversy of a known overwatch agent, having to see her technology modified and used as weapons of violence?

Dont get me wrong, Mercy is NOT a pacifist it is never stated anywhere she prefers outcomes without violence but she knows its necessary sometimes, but a person who lost their parents in war wanting less war and to save more people because they don’t want others to lose people like they did isn’t being a mary sue

about the most mary sue thing about her is her medical genius but like… There are child geniuses in this world and there are also many extraordinary people that would qualify as being too good for their age and the like

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Honestly Gary Stu and Mary Sue has just devolved into a character you really dont like for some reason with no real definition at this point

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There's a second opinion for you.
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I think that there is likely some complexity in Mercy’s character, its just not touched in with currently available lore. A lot of heroes in the game have a limited amount of lore to go off of, and you could make similar Mary Sue/Gary Stu arguments for a lot of them. Another important consideration with Overwatch is that a lot of heroes follow their own viewpoints and the distinction between “good” and “evil” is deliberately made blurry by the writers.

Let’s look at Mercy in particular though, and the definition of a Mary Sue. IMO, a Mary Sue is a character that faces no obstacles in their path and makes no meaningful mistakes in what they do. It’s hard to be explicit in what Mercy’s own goals are, but I think that its clear that she hasn’t been perfect. She clashes with others like Ana/Jack and is called a hypocrite by Moira who is correct in her assertion. While she does return to Overwatch, her activity between those points isn’t necessarily something I would call “perfect”. Based on the lore available, I think that it can be inferred that she has conflicted feelings about the nature of what she was doing. She turns around and sticks to what she believes in but its not painted as the “right” option, just one of many options.

She isn’t a Mary Sue because what she does isn’t portrayed as the “right” answer (at least in the OW universe), and she’s flawed in that she’s hypocritical at times, and has a tendency to be patronizing to others because she thinks she knows better. If she was a Mary Sue, then every “good” character would love and/or respect her, and she never be found in situations where she couldn’t make the obvious “right” choice. The available lore makes it clear this isn’t the case. Is she the most interesting hero? Not really, but I don’t think that qualifies her as a sue.

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I dunno man, she lived through a war with AI, where she served on the frontlines. That seems like adversity to me. As for having a defining attribute that isn’t universally good who the heck decided you had to have one. I don’t recall hearing that mister Rogers was into smuggling endangered animals or anything. Hey. Alan Moore even regrets what he did to comic books, not everything has to have a dark or gritty element to it. It might be a little hard to believe but some people really are just basically good. And I would expect to see some of those people on some kind of super hero team. It seems like a “you problem” if that bothers you.

If you like someone incapable of messing up and is constantly perfect, that’s fine, but when OW2 comes out I hope her and Genji aren’t so bland and perfect.

You like the edgy characters don’t you?

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I hope she watches a ton of anime with genji, then goes to a form beyond this beyond power level 9000.

(Psst, millennials are entering middle age)

To the rest of the thread, I agree that Mercy is not a Mary Sue (and in fact, we don’t have any in the game). We do have a bunch of idealized hero fantasy avatars, so there’s a certain surreal air to everyone. But I think none of the classic Mary/Gary tropes really hold true:

  • None of them are idealized/respected by the entire cast.
  • None of the heroes are seen as the Chosen One, the one true hope for saving the world. Some of them are the only ones who showed up. Several of them would really rather not be there. Some are trying to atone for past mistakes.
  • Because the game is crafted by a whole team of writers and designers, there’s not much room for any hero to be a self-glorifying authorial self-insert.
  • While the heroes all have unique powers, no one has a power that is SO wild and SO powerful that everyone else is in singular awe of it.
  • While we don’t have lots to go on in terms of in-canon ships, in what we do know, there’s no one hero who is being crushed on by a bunch of the cast at once.
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and thats where your lost

I am not arguing that she didn’t leave for moral reasons, I am arguing the fact that you said she left for

so in the end you seem to have just said the wrong thing but we have the same stance anyways

she stood behind a lot of the “criminal” activity that OW did, because they backed her morals, but the immoral things OW did drove her away

your proving my point… everything mercy did was morally correct, she made every correct decision

People still calling characters they find boring mary sues? Lmao

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Sounds like Mercy is a Mary Sue to me.

This is why Medic is better than Mercy. He doesn’t care about such trivial things like the Hippocratic Oath or having a medical license. Heck, he’ll leave a bird inside you after your surgery.

she aslo karen, mary jane and all sorts of names but to me she is an angel and a medic. thats just me tho i guess

There’s actually more lore than that.
Lucio’s father worked for Vishkar, and seems to have created the technology.

  • Lúcio: Vishkar’s using you, just like they used my father. You just wait. You’ll see.
  • Symmetra: Your father was a Vishkar employee. He understood our company’s vision. A shame he never educated you.
    and
  • Symmetra: You should return what you stole from Vishkar.
  • Lúcio: Stole? Psh. You need to go ask your bosses where it all came from; then we can talk."