Mercy every match on masters

[TacoMFmaco-2614]

im just going to tell you something, shes gets very hard counter by dive.
also if shes that easy and just seek and hide i challenge you to reach GM playing her. mercy doesnt need aim but a lot of positioning and good movement. also do you think if u have a mercy with you you will win or if you loose you blame the mercy? u are quite salty with the character and i see skill issue here by your side

[Reconsider-31695]

The truth about competitive in my region (Asia) is if one of the two supports isn’t playing mercy, you’re practically throwing the game. In a game mode where communication isn’t a guarantee, having a hero that basically bypasses the need for it, while having an incredibly obnoxious kit overall, and allowing your dps to get an easier kill to swing the balance in your favor every teamfight, there’s just no reason to not pick her. So unless you’re somehow 5 man hard-comming pretending you’re a contenders team in ranked, you’re going to want a mercy in your team.

[Mistikas-21916]

she just needs super jumps with longer CD, shift should be 10 sec CD. Solved.

[LifeIsCrap-1481]

New Sombra is actually pretty good at killing Mercy. Hack, Virus, and a couple of shots and she’s out.

[NuttyS4Ck-1298]

Mercy is so overtuned. It’s crazy. Have a mercy win. Don’t have a mercy against a mercy loose

[MeowKami-21458]

If lw isnt around yes.

Everytile they help each other its basically impossible to keep playing sombra to flank and assassinate supports.

Takes way way too much time and efforts to take one down (and one can rez the other if you do it)

The fact they both cant miss their healing abilities makes virus + smg not do enough dmg to kill through it (on top of adding their mobility/self sustain/pull/petal)

[SCARR-12977]

@Marmites-21115

How did they struggle? They wrecked

they took quite a bit of time to climb the ranks entirely. a looot of time, ml7 was stuck in plat-diamond for a bit there. you can go watch them.

dafran got far by his pure mechanical skill with her gun and getting nano’d but that’s obviously not the way mercy is intended to be played.

@Marmites-21115

Also to consider is mercy is empowered by good dps player to pocket. It is not really applicable in lower ranks if there is always a Smurf on the other team and not yours now is it? Try paring a Smurf with mercy and one without see who gets to GM first.

anyone duoing with a smurf is going to get to high ranks easily, i’m referring to ppl who are solo-queuing. i find it unlikely that there’s always going to be a smurf on the enemy team and not on yours.

[SCARR-12977]

@Toast-22632

Reasonable complaints about Mercy aren’t

present in this thread at all. this person is not even attempting to be reasonable.

@Toast-22632

They come from duos who spend the entire game hard pocketing one person and how horrible that is to play against for the dps.

In that situation Mercy is nowhere near difficult and it’s one of the most common boosting methods. It’s not to be conflated with solo queuing where she is difficult

i genuinely do not believe that pocketing is this awful super bad experience, at least in my experience. if mercy is dedicating all her resources to one person, the rest of her team isn’t getting that. it puts a lot of pressure on the second healer, and those are things you can exploit.

yes i get it that it probably isn’t fun to go against a pocketed 76 for example but that’s just the nature of this game. there will always be combos of characters that are stronger on average due to the nature of having a game with so many different potential gameplay styles. thats not something you can really change about overwatch without sacrificing what made it so unique in the first place.

i’ve yet to hear a single suggestion for how to address this “pocketing” issue in a way that doesn’t completely erase mercy’s identity or add on arbitrary limitations on how much mercy can contribute to a fight damage wise.

[SCARR-12977]

@ChiefJawa-1650

mercy is broken

she isn’t. y’all have got to stop conflating “annoying” with “broken” idk if yall even know what that word means.

@ChiefJawa-1650

shes unhealthy for the game

what game do you think this is that she’s unhealthy for it? she’s been part of the game since this game was conceptualized.

@ChiefJawa-1650

If you buff or nerf any hero, you have to think of her.

good. thats how balance works, taking into account all the other factors. mercy isn’t the only damage boost in the game, and by using damage boost as a measuring stick, you can have heroes be strong on their own but not OP with a mercy pocket (like ashe) which is the sweet spot.

@ChiefJawa-1650

The dmg boost isnt healthy, it screws up everything

define healthy and what a healthier alternative would be that serves the same purpose. i feel like ur just repeating what other ppl are saying.

@ChiefJawa-1650

Rez is a broken ability, it takes away the already impossible work of getting a kill

huge skill issue if getting a kill is impossible. rez has enough downsides that she shouldn’t be getting it off mid fight unless you’re ignoring her or she outplays you. maybe go play mercy and see what i mean.

@ChiefJawa-1650

acts as another hero almost.

?

@ChiefJawa-1650

Guardian angel is way to fast, and mercy is now faster than genji

mercy isn’t killing anything, and has her movement locked to another player. genji is a damage hero and is killing things, has a wall climb, a double jump, and a much much faster dash that resets on kills. what are u smoking??

stop comparing mercy to a dps character like they’re supposed to do the same thing lmao

@ChiefJawa-1650

Asides from that, shes way to easy to play. She doesnt even have the high of a skill ceiling. Finally you have valk, which is a boring ult. I dont wanna get destroyed by the mercy mafia, but yur hero needs a rework.

valk being boring is subjective, she has a pretty high skill ceiling when u get to high masters and everyone has great aim and are all trying to kill you. mercy doesn’t need a rework.

[Marmites-21115]

@SCARR-12977

anyone duoing with a smurf is going to get to high ranks easily, i’m referring to ppl who are solo-queuing. i find it unlikely that there’s always going to be a smurf on the enemy team and not on yours.

Read again. Also it happens and it’s a huge disadvantage for mercy. Again her strength is pairing with a DPS in a equal fair match giving them an obvious advantage. It is a matter of what does mercy bring to a team. That does get skewed if the enemy has a Smurf that can offset that value, but if every dps in the game is equal that adds value to mercy’s team which in a pretty impactful and powerful way if you ask me.

I am gonna get some stats on my next games of how many mercy are in my games for more than 3 minutes. My rough estimate from memory is close to 80-90%.

[choker-11535]

@SCARR-12977

i want you to go into quickplay right now and play 5 matches as mercy, and just press shift whenever it’s off cooldown.

be sure to let me know how it goes.

And post a replay code lol.

This is a good response to all of these nonsense posts.

It’s a skill issue. Mercy’s movement is more predictable when she “goes to Narnia”. If you can’t hit her when she’s floating waiting for the next GA cooldown, you wouldn’t be able to hit her while she’s a-d juking like everyone else.

Mercy is probably the weakest support rn.

@ĆħiŷöņǾŞåĸę-1194

a good mercy is never in open space because they dont need to be. her job is best done from behind cover

There are at least three things going wrong for you.

1. The viability of her cover is dependent on the skill of the DPS you say she’s pocketing. Most DPS do not consider the viability of their position with regard to being supported in this way. They seem to eventually get the LOS thing for darts, packs, etc, but almost none of them ever pick positions from which they can viably be pocketed. When the DPS she’s pocketing actually gets it right? You’re playing against good players, of course they’re going to be hard to kill.

2. The cover on the new maps isn’t really cover at all. It’s designed to be easy to walk around. If you can’t get to Mercy because she’s behind cover, take a few steps.

3. People don’t play Mercy to right-click a DPS player. Boring. And do the math. She can’t win games adding 30%. She has to find ways to add 100%, or why have a fifth player at all? No, people play Mercy for her mobility. You say she stays behind cover. That’s not true. It isn’t even consistent with the complaints that she’s “too fast” or “goes to narnia”. Which is it? A good Mercy has better positioning than you do, and knows how long she can stay in any one place, and how to get to the next cover, and has her next GA options already planned when she needs them.

I’ve gotten better fighting Moira having played Moira. Maybe the solution to not knowing how to deal with Mercy is to play Mercy.

[Lucithrow-1531]

@choker-11535

It’s a skill issue.

The problem with this assertion is accessing Mercy’s mobility is exponentially easier than tracking an erratic airborne target. Which in general is the problem with Mercy’s design. You extract quite a lot of value while not being asked to do much yourself.

@choker-11535

Mercy is probably the weakest support rn.

She has a healthy pick and winrate at all ranks.

@choker-11535

1. The viability of her cover is dependent on the skill of the DPS you say she’s pocketing. Most DPS do not consider the viability of their position with regard to being supported in this way.

You claim skill issue then when it’s pointed out some of these people are GM’s you revert to complaining DPS players are just not smart enough on average to benefit from a 30% boost. Somehow not being self aware enough to realize that it’s not just the boost but also the ability to play from angles that would otherwise be suicide / ineffective

@choker-11535

2. The cover on the new maps isn’t really cover at all. It’s designed to be easy to walk around. If you can’t get to Mercy because she’s behind cover, take a few steps.

This is just wrong, there is a ton of cover/corners/angles on the new maps for ranged DPS to play from

@choker-11535

3. People don’t play Mercy to right-click a DPS player. Boring. And do the math. She can’t win games adding 30%.

Weird because this is exactly what they’re doing in my games.

@choker-11535

Which is it? A good Mercy has better positioning than you do, and knows how long she can stay in any one place, and how to get to the next cover, and has her next GA options already planned when she needs them.

are you serious? A good Mercy is aware of LoS and has a good mastery over her somewhat simplistic movement mechanics

“better positioning than you do”

Play a support that doesn’t have a bail-my-bad-positioning-out-button on a 2 second cooldown and talk to me about better positioning.

@choker-11535

I’ve gotten better fighting Moira having played Moira. Maybe the solution to not knowing how to deal with Mercy is to play Mercy.

Perhaps it’s time for you all to stop playing this game and admit the movement does present an unrealistic difficulty curve to a lot of players with respect to tracking her movement in the air.

I’d wager 99.9% of Mercy players who come on here parroting SKILL ISSUE with respect to how difficult she is to pin down would fail to reliably deal with a gold Mercy.

She’s not OP; she simply enables way too much for what is asked of the person playing her given the right environment. Her design is awful and doesn’t belong in a competitive game.

[Ranulf-1999]

@choker-11535

People don’t play Mercy to right-click a DPS player. Boring. And do the math. She can’t win games adding 30%. She has to find ways to add 100%, or why have a fifth player at all? No, people play Mercy for her mobility. You say she stays behind cover. That’s not true. It isn’t even consistent with the complaints that she’s “too fast” or “goes to narnia”. Which is it? A good Mercy has better positioning than you do, and knows how long she can stay in any one place, and how to get to the next cover, and has her next GA options already planned when she needs them.

People dont get that only random people picking Mercy are the (smurf) hitscan pocketers.

The actual Mercy mains still try to be a team healer and overall support, even when they get harassed for it.

[NuttyS4Ck-1298]

@SCARR-12977

they took quite a bit of time to climb the ranks entirely. a looot of time, ml7 was stuck in plat-diamond for a bit there. you can go watch them.

Games are designed for you to go 50/50 reguardless of how good you are. Mercy’s can’t carry a game she where the matchmaker really wants you to loose.

However her attritional value makes it so she wins all the games that are even. I e dps are same skill tanks are same skill. Mercy just wins

[fraudulence-1299]

@Wallano-1205

You could think that the easiest character in the game…

I stopped right there and read no further because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[IsTheMedia-1302]

So why is it that Ana has nearly double her picks in every rank and not Mercy if that’s the case? Shouldn’t “have Mercy and win” mean she’d be having higher picks?

Heck Mercy picks have dropped her down a spot since last season. In bronze she’s sitting at 4th place.

[Saber-22958]

@NuttyS4Ck-1298

However her attritional value makes it so she wins all the games that are even. I e dps are same skill tanks are same skill. Mercy just wins

Attritional value is pointless when bap, ana, illari, kiriko, brig, zen have either skills or ults or both that win teamfights. In case both tanks and dps are of equal skill (which btw is a hypothetical that happens once in a blue moon), mercy is still hindered by not being able to directly impact a teamfight

[Axafekt-1863]

This is a high ranked issue since mercys get rolled in low ranks.

[IsTheMedia-1302]

Not even, Kiriko and Illari both are so close to her in picks.

Heck get to GM and she’s picked less than Bap, Illari, and Kiriko, sitting at a little over 5% whereas the rest are over 7% and Ana at 12%.

I think Plat is probably where she’s best at, with almost 1% more picks than Kiriko. Whereas Masters she’s a bit more than 0.5%.

[Axafekt-1863]

Its clear the op has a biased against mercy.

There are heroes who are real problems in the meta(especially at support) we shouldn’t muddy the water with personal bs. Otherwise theyll nerf the wrong heroes in the wrong ways.