for starters i do not like widow but i dont hate her either(used to but not now) and i think she does not need any nerfs but she does need a new counter, its one of those characters which is very difficult to counter if they are extremely good and i dont want an easy counter but just something to be able to fairly contest her and i dont know what that would be tbh(well i dont know what that would be which wouldnt make the game worse) but either way imo she doesnt need a nerf
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Why shouldt she have a easy counter ? The rest of the heroes have, well 90%.
Widow requires almost no skill to play. Why shouldt she have a easy hero to counter her ?
Widow is the most relaxing hero ive played in game, use grappling hook to high point and your ready to start shooting and thats it. You dont need to fight 3-4 people at same time while dodging/timing backing off/moving in.
You never need to engage , everyone needs to engage to where your standing. And aiming with her is not exactly incredibly hard.
Someone who can catch bullets and throw them back!
well my character in fallout 4 kinda has something similar to that…so maybe my fallout 4 character is the counter we need 
Im no fan of widow, but we had Brig added to hard counter Tracer and Genji and it just made them completely unplayable and it wasn’t fun at all. I don’t want that to happen to anyone’s prefered hero.
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Wait, so she’s having Traceritis? (Lack of counters)
The question is how? She’s a hitscan sniper, how would you counter that without outright killing her? (Looking at you old Brig)
Widow’s current hard counter is that not everyone can aim. You usually only find scary ones in masters and above.
Hopefully not, the last thing anyone (hopefully) wants to see is another extremely low skill hero countering the higher skill heroes. There are already 2 skilled direct answers to Widow, give them a try. I know there’s the whole meme that Widow is the easiest character to play, but asking for Brig 2.0 is not even funny
i never asked for brig 2.0, widow might be a high skilled character but you are not a high skilled reader
Actually it’s more that I’m a low skill quoter
This is what I was replying to
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i apologise my post was not really needed, i dont think hard counters are ever good for any character
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The last time we got an ‘‘easy counter’’ an entire team composition became unviable. I get that Widow can be annoying, but low skill? Come on dude. What heroes do you think require skill then?
For once, how about we make the better player win instead of the one willing to press H?
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i think in general hard counters are very bad for the game, for me i wouldnt call her easy but i have always had horrible aim, i just dont think there is enough counterplay to her but a hard counter isnt the answer, maybe a character who counters her as much as winston counters her
Yet i dont i think your GM. Its not as easy as JUST CLICK THE HEAD 4Head.
Thing is, Widow has clear weaknesses (bad in close quarters, relatively immobile compared to the rest of the cast, no self-sustain whatsoever). Problem is that these weaknesses get negated by the rest of her team (already noticed how complaints about Widow often involve a Widow who’s being pocketed?)
You basically would need a hero that counters multiple heroes at once, or in other words… another Brigitte.
Furthermore, Widow has designated counters: those heroes that can get up to her quickly and are good in close range. There are even 6 of them: Winston, Dva, Hammond, Tracer, Genji and Sombra. Put them in a 1v1 against Widow and the Widow stands no chance (on average). If they can’t kill her in a 6v6 then maybe… just maybe, it’s not because of Widow herself.
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Why dont you tell me whats so special about widow ? Why does she require so much skill ?
Actually i am GM, and widow is the one dps dominating in gm by far.
Or just nerf her
That’d be better
What about a character who uses a mixture of science and voodoo? They could be a weird support healer that could put a buff on someone that causes the next attack they take to instead damage the person who attacked them.
That way if Widow isn’t paying attention and snipes the target, she’ll get sniped instead.
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The issue with her is that she is fundamentally too difficult to counter. Goats was developed as a way to steal wins off teams with better widowmakers and it worked because it cut her value drastically. It takes 6 players playing as a unit to counter Widow because she exerts far too much threat. If you were to go 4-2 dive Widow can still get value because she is the forced target. If you don’t dive her she will get value because of her 0.7 second 1shot potential.
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