Mass Res Will Return | 10 Reasons Why

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Still angry and upset.

Well, atleast I tried.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

The terrors or responding to Mr Hyde.

[RevertMercy-1304]

Pretty much a bore. Lol.

Strange… It’s like it’s trying to tell us something, as if it’s important… Huh… oh well. Must have been nothing of relevance. Moving right along!

I disagree on most of these points, or at the very least, the conclusions drawn from them. To save space I’m only putting my responses to the points, not the points themselves.

That’s fine, I disagree with most of your points as well. But as to not repeat what I’ve said previously here, I’ll just reply to the points that I believe haven’t been said before.

No. That’s not the only reason it was changed. That’s the reason the community picked up on and latched on to. She doesn’t need to hide to rez. She needs protection.

So… Is hiding not protecting yourself? I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand the point being made here?

No it wasn’t. Mass rez was seen as a troll pick at higher ranks because she was easy to hunt down and kill at higher ranks because they had the foresight to look for her. Valk needed so many “sledgehammer nerfs” because rez was on a 10s CD at first and it was instant and could be done at any time, not just an ult.

Mercy could rez at any time? I’m pretty sure she had a cooldown on 30 seconds from the beginning. Which patch note was she given the ability to rez any time she wanted? Or even a 10 second cooldown at any time? No, I’m pretty sure that 10 seconds was exclusively within Valkyrie… But do correct me. Regardless, how does this prove that Valkyrie was more balanced than Mass res again?

• What do you mean “forced” rework? As either being what?

No one asked for the rework. There were lots of people who were against it, but it went live anyway. In my opinion, that’s a forced rework.

No. The toxicity towards mercy was due to literally throwing by not playing her, then seeing the forums be almost nothing but mercy related posts saying she was trash when she clearly wasn’t.

Your first sentence holds some merit. When she had Valkyrie and became a must pick, there was certainly an issue of people getting upset when a Mercy wasn’t on the team. Your second sentence? Seems to be an opinion. We’ll have to agree to disagree there!

You’re assuming they’re planning on reworking her again. And no, it’s not safer. The safer thing for development is to keep what is present and work on it. It saves both time and resources as the code right now exists for the most part without bugs. It would also be harder to reintroduce since after a year people have grown accustomed to how she works now. Why force mercy mains to re-re-relearn mercy?

I’m sorry, define “re-relearn”? Do you mean… Recollecting past skills? If it’s the latter, I don’t see how doing so is a problem. In fact, humans by nature are actually really good at it. It’s like riding a bike. If you rode a bike as a kid, and then as an adult drove a car, in most cases, you don’t just “forget” how to ride a bike, and getting the hang of learning how to ride one again happens a lot faster, then say, learning something entirely new. Also, the facts remain. If you have previous assets that exist, it is faster to make something with them, then if you are doing something completely new that may or may not work. If you are suggesting that they are better off sticking with Valk and trying something new with it, instead of a revert. Let me ask then, what can they do at this point that would make Mercy more impactful, rewarding, and engaging to play with, and against, that isn’t resurrection? I’m interested to see your suggestions.

No they wouldn’t. Mass rez is instant. The reason ults like transcendence are counterable is because it’s not instant. It’s over time, so Ana can nade, McCree can High Noon, Doomfist can punch, Rein can charge. It has workaround.

Yup they would! You do realize that after Mass res, there is a wait time before resurrected players can move around right? And if we want to be technical, we can then add a cast time, LoS and make her and her team mates vulnerable to damage with damage reduction. Alas, problem solved. That was easy!

You know very well they weren’t talking about anything. They were talking about mass rez. It’s not a lateral change of plans. It’s a distortion to think they meant anything.

I’m sorry, are you me? Do you know me? If the answer to both of those is “No”, explain to me how you are able to speak for me in terms of what “I know” in terms of what they are talking about? This answer sounds to be a projected opinion on what you think I should know. Not based on fact.

The wording spoken about by jeff is documentation. Recordings are documentation. And it has not been debunked at all.

Oh, do you have Jeff saying “Mass res is not going to come back”? I would like to see a source of him saying those exact words, and not just assumptions on what you think he said. If you please.

I said I’d only post my replies, but I wanted to highlight this. The reason so many people hated rez on E before (not nearly as much now) is because it was so impactful. It was instant and ready any time. She could literally fly in, rez, and fly out with very little repercussion. There’s a reason it was given a cast time and speed nerf. Without them it’s too powerful. Without them, your first elim literally did not matter if it wasn’t against the mercy.

I am going to have to disagree with you there. We’re beginning to dwell into the “what if’s” portion of why either of us think people hate rez on E, instead of actual facts. We don’t speak for everyone, and so, our opinions are subjective. Thanks for offering your opinion nonetheless however! We’re going to have to just agree to disagree on it.

10. Drop in usage rates doesn’t mean valk wasn’t successful. What even do you define as successful? Is it what the devs were trying to accomplish? Maybe it was successful for the devs. I think that with mass rez back she’d be in a less balanced, even less fun state. She wasn’t fun before, she isn’t fun now. Reverting will just require another massive patch.

To me, a successful hero is one that is truly fair, engaging, balanced, and rewarding to play. I would consider Ana, Moira, and Zen as balanced heroes right now, as they are all viable, rewarding to play, and fair to play with and against. I believe Mercy is balanced and fair to play against, but is unengaging and unrewarding to play with. Her fallen pickratres, below average winrates, and abysmally broken on-fire rate are all evidence of a hero that is not successful except for people who play against her, and that is why bringing her back to where she was truly fun, fair and balanced, engaged, rewarding, and impactful, with a revert + the tweaks (LoS, damage reduction, and a tiny cast time), is the best way to bring Mercy back to her former glory. But hey, if you disagree, that’s fine. That’s just my opinion.

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~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

[Quest-11845]

Stop. You’re not helping your case.

Just move on and hopefully one day Xavvy will finish their response as they’ve been at it for ages now. Maybe you can quote that. If not, at least you can quote Titaniums post. Cuz lets be real… You don’t have a damn thing worth hearing to listen to.

[Quest-11845]

Strange… It’s like it’s trying to tell us something, as if it’s important… Huh… oh well. Must have been nothing of relevance. Moving right along!

What a surprise! You have nothing to say against the points I brought up! Adorable…

Lol Xavvy, never change.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Strange… It’s like it’s trying to tell us something, as if it’s important… Huh… oh well. Must have been nothing of relevance. Moving right along!

You really are extremely fortunate.

[Quest-11845]

You really are extremely fortunate.

Huh? Is this just another attempt at acting like my life is lackluster while you completely avoid everything on point that I’ve said?

If so, carry on child. Im sure this is pretty much the epitome of your ability to discuss a topic objectively. Just snide little personal assumptions and attacks. Just like Xavvy.

My life would have to be very sad to care wtf you people say about it.

Edit: I am enjoying this so much considering what both of you have said towards people that level hostility toward the Mercy community. This is rich and hypocritical af. I love it.

[Doohickey-11155]

Nothing saving 'em from the white light now.

[Quest-11845]

I’d be fine with it if both of them hadn’t tried to be this “be respectful and considerate” type of people when it came to other people being hostile toward Mercy mains etc.

Now, here these white knights are, just ONLY offering me personal insults and assumptions. It’s hilarious…

Like really? Do you have such poor memories this stuff doesn’t seem hypocritical to you?

[Doohickey-11155]

Oh I was just responding to the training bot bit. D: I am purposefully staying as far away from Mercy Discourse as I can as it’s the closest thing to a dead end topic that exists on here.

[Quest-11845]

The training bot bit was honestly the only thing worth while to come from this thread…

Almost 1k responses…

FeelsBadMan…

[RevertMercy-1304]

You really are extremely fortunate.

You’re free to join me if you’d like. As with any bad aura, it loses it’s effectiveness the more you ignore it and appreciate it’s lack of existence. Especially after agreeing to disagree with them and promising them that you’ll ignore them from now on before hand.

After laying the ground work, you essentially just leave them to their own devices. And they are so desperate for your attention at that point, they’ll become almost obsessed with you, and replying to everything you say. This is a great ego booster by the way, so I highly suggest trying it yourself when you’re feeling ignored

I’ve found it quite amusing, and it really helps you in random instances where they essentially keep your threads alive for you as well, since of course, they are nothing without you at this point and have to now always justify their worth through which reply they can get you to respond to. hehe

No need to stoop down to their level and argue with them, they’ll do the stooping all on their own for you, as observed below

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~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

[enferreine-1976]

They stated she is supposed to pump out the most healing over the course of the match. This implies she is supposed to at least contend for a place in the main healer role, just in a different way to Ana and Moira. She is a single target only main healer with no burst or aoe capability. Valkyrie of course ruins this, and takes all the skill out of her so that should probably go away.

Anyone who played Mercy on 60hp/s knows if you spent time just pocketing people instead of splitting your healing among the team with good priorization, your healing would be abysmal and you were a waste to your team.

Now, on 50 you have no choice but to pocket those who are generally furthest from the fight, which is a sign of someone who is more of an off-support but they key features of off supports, are that they usually have HUGELY powerful ultimates because they sacrifice so much to normal healing potential to do so and stop dealing damage to use their ultimates. Show me Mercy’s damage and boost numbers versus her healing numbers compared to any other support. Now show me her ultimate that would match that of an off-support to warrant being a pocket. Because she now takes up an off support slot, you lose out of Trans or Sound Barrier, this is hugely detrimental to the team because they will become more likely to lose team fights that have ults.

A pocket support with no huge defensive ult has no place in the game, because you lose out on a better ultimate for team fights by having it take an off-support slot.

[Quest-11845]

As with any bad aura, it loses it’s effectiveness the more you ignore it and appreciate it’s lack of existence.

Yeah ignorance is bliss. Life giving off a bad aura? Just ignore.

Especially after agreeing to disagree with them and promising them that you’ll ignore them from now on before hand.

I don’t recall agreeing to disagree, I might have though. Tbh what I would say is it’s in your best interest to not discuss things with me. You can’t keep up.

After laying the ground work, you essentially just leave them to their own devices. And they are so desperate from your attention at that point, they’ll become almost obsessed with you, and replying to everything you say. This is a great ego booster by the way, so I highly suggest trying it yourself when you’re feeling ignored

Huh? Is this your attempt to make yourself feel good for being unable to contest my retorts to your statements? Whatever helps you sleep, man.

I’ve found it quite amusing, and it really helps when you they keep your threads alive for you as well, since of course, they are nothing without you at this point and have to now always justify their worth through which reply they can get you to respond to. hehe

I’m not one to keep threads alive. I don’t necro, and I’ve failed to respond to lots said to me as to not necro a thread.

But hey, whatever helps you.

No need to stoop down to their level and argue with them, they’ll do the stooping all on their own for you, as observed below

I’m not stooping down to your level. I’m so far above your level. I’d have to stoop down to reach you. You understand, yeah?

~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of Pink Sunrises.
Quest

[Tenor-11929]

The Passive Aggressiveness from the OP in this thread is P A I N F U L.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Gotcha. Right now, I’m just seeing where this thread will go. I have this weird feeling that it’s going to get locked.

[Naz-11562]

No need to stoop down to their level and argue with them, they’ll do the stooping all on their own for you, as observed below

You’re stooping pretty darn low with the pettiness of this whole post. But what do I know? I’m just an observer. Quest shouldn’t be giving it back, but disguising this under a thin, somewhat-patronizing veil of civility and emojis is arguably worse, especially given the whole “anti toxicity towards Mercy mains” dialogue. You should be doing better, given you’re the OP of this thread and all. Do better.

[Quest-11845]

The Passive Aggressiveness from the OP in this thread is P A I N F U L.

The beauty is they can’t even realize how painfully passive aggressive it is.

[Quest-11845]

Quest shouldn’t be giving it back

This is very true. I have no problem getting silenced for this, as I have for oh so many things. However, trying to take the higher road clearly failed… So I said hell with it. Fire with fire.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

What would I know? I’m just a noisy goblin.

Joke.

Seems like both sides are somewhat guilty of something.