Literally one arrow from Hanzo: "My shield's about to go!"

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You’re right, I did! However, I assume you would know that there are also ways to avoid said scenario & that offering one is pretty pointless. Dive could do x, oh, well to beat that the anti dive team could do y. Yknow?

Refer to the comment above. Can’t anti-nade through a Rein shield :+1: We could go back and forth forever lol.

Sure, I’ll give you that. But I don’t think anything walking into a Rein/Zarya/Mei/Reaper/Moira/Brig is going to last long. They’re going to be locked down & dead just as quick as Dive wants to kill one of them.

She, herself, alone is not hard to dive true. Her team with Brig in it however is.

You’re right my friend. However, if you throw the packs on before the dive is already on top of you it gives armor, not healing.

Well technically this is a non issue because she doesn’t have a 500hp shield anymore.

Amen. I’ve been attacked by my credibility, saying I hate Brigitte, saying I want her nerfed, saying that I haven’t played her (when I have about 7 hours on PTR with her rework) and several other things without my actual argument being debunked :man_shrugging: It’s sad

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At least you’re not getting insta killed.

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So you want a scenario, I give you a scenario, then you go on about how “It could go other ways” ?
That’s not gonna get us anywhere, that’s for sure.

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I’ll have to see more regarding how Repair Pack works, because Winston pretty much negates one set of armor with a Jump+Melee combo.

Immortality field has 250 HP and is harder to destroy than 75 armor is. He may not have a stun or a boop, but he deals 90 healing per second.

Also, the argument that his gun is harder to hit at close range any rank where Dive is actually played is ridiculous. His gun also deals TWICE the amount of damage that Brigitte’s melee does, even factoring in armor. He deals FOUR times as much with headshots.

I’m not seeing her kit being all that amazing against Dive. But I welcome any pros who want to prove me wrong.

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I can’t imagine a scenario where a Brig can’t be taken down in a team fight by a dive comp unless the opposing team goes in one by one.

Right because the devs don’t know how to balance the game majority of the time.

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So the OP complains about Brigg being bad yet open his post by saying they won anyway? Seems to me Brigg might be fine then?

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“How can a character be bad if you won a game?”

Brought to you by the same logic as:

“How can life without legs be hard if you got a good parking spot at Denny’s?”

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Isn’t that pretty effective that one armor pack negated his entire leap combo instead of him dealing damage to direct health?

Sure.

He definitely heals more but healing isn’t always the answer. If they can deal 200 damage before he can heal healing doesn’t accomplish very much. Can’t we agree on that? Sometimes, overhealing someone is better than healing someone.

I think it’s pretty relevant, especially since he can’t shoot & heal at the same time aside from using his shift which may as well just be inspire except it has a cooldown. Brig can do damage & heal at the same time, and has a stun, and has a boop. Very good against dive.

Sure, if he hits every shot. But like I said, he can’t shoot bullets & grenades at the same time. Brig can deal damage & heal at the same time.

Can definitely be more useful than just straight heals or damage against Dive which is a comp that likes to get in close.

We shall wait & see. If dive is played, I have no doubt Brigitte will be too.

I’d offer one, but we’d likely go back and forth. Just for fun, I’ll say Zarya bubble, Mei freeze/wall, McCree flash, Brig stun/boop, and heals are just a few examples of what could help Brig survive a dive. I’m in no way saying it’s impossible for a dive comp to beat a team with Brig on it, it definitely is, I’m just saying it’s more difficult to beat a team with her on it then not.

I disagree. I think just about every hero is in their best & most balanced state since launch. Feel free to give examples.

Not only that, but he was playing against Roadhog, McCree & Hanzo, all people who are strong against Brig lol.

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Sure. But by the same logic, 90 healing per second would undo it as well and provide Ult charge.

Sure, but again, if this were the answer, Brigitte would have been played more into Dive before the rework. But every Dive hero (sans Tracer) was picked more than her.

Yes he can.

Yes he can. And even if he misses half of his shots, he’s still doing roughly the same damage as Brigitte.

Either one “can be” more useful than the other if you construct a specific scenario.

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I held up Brig’s shield and she said that before I even took a hit!

“My shield’s about to go!” :stuck_out_tongue:

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Most likely because any amount of burst damage will melt Brig.

Sombra was nerfed because the devs thought she was oppressive, but leave Widowmaster alone. A lot of the posters feel she can be incredibly oppressive.

The life steal increased to 50% on Reaper even though Reaper mains argued that’s not what he needed.

The continuous nerfs to DM.

Orisa’s shield nerf.

All of the nerfs to stop GOATS. The majority of them can be reverted now.

Some of Brig’s nerfs. They can easily go back on having Rally’s armor permanent instead of decaying over time.

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she was too many things at same time. now she is a healer

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If the target isn’t killed before his heal goes off, sure. But I doubt the only thing the person getting leaped on is taking damage from will be Winston, and it will definitely be more than 90 damage.

Well, I’ve explained the reasoning behind this. Pre-rework Brig didn’t offer very much to her team to protect against dive because she herself was quite tanky with a 500hp shield & better self healing, but her teammates didn’t have that luxury. At best, she could give 1 of them 75 armor or a 150 burst heal, but the other 2 got nothing from Brig and were easy targets. New brig can now give 75 armor to up to 3 people at the start of a fight

Not with his weapon he can’t? He can not left & right click at the same time. He either shoots a grenade, or shoots a burst of 3 bullets. He can not do both, unless like I said he uses his shift which is practically inspire on a cooldown (with much
shorter range)

Again, he can’t. He can not shoot bullets & grenades at the same time. I have already said the only way he can heal & shoot is with his shift ability which is practically inspire on a cooldown with shorter range.

Exactly what I’m saying! I’m glad you’ve finally conceded this point. I am not saying that no one but Brigitte is an answer to dive. I have simply said she is a good pick against it & props her team up against dive more than she ever has. She has 3 armor packs instead of one, inspire is stronger & whip shot is faster. Her self survivability is mostly irrelevant since she isn’t the first target in a dive. It’s most often the main healer.

Imo, justified. Hack is a death sentence & 6 seconds is too long.

A mistake? Sure. Doesn’t mean everything they do is wrong… they very soon after buffed his teleport which is what Reaper mains were asking for

Imo, justified.

Imo, justified.

Imo, justified.

Imo, they definitely can’t lol. Permanent armor is insane.

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The problem I have with OP’s line of thought is the assumption that a higher number of deaths means bad survivability.

My hypothesis is that Brig (on average, counting all ranks) dies more often than other supports because people playing her put themselves at risk more often. This doesn’t make her a character with bad survivability; this makes her a support who puts herself at risk more often than others (and therefore receives much more dmg).

Per Overbuff stats, Brig is the second support with the best Obj Time (losing only to Lúcio). This goes against the assertion that she is the least survivable support.

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Especially when he thinks it’s a good idea to play Brig against Roadhog/McCree/Hanzo lol. If you’re picking Brig against big ranged damage… yea… you’re gonna die a lot. That’s what she’s weak against. Or at the very least if he doesn’t think he should be picking Brig against those heroes, I’m not sure why he references them in the first place?

:+1:

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Every other healer could just heal it off

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she wasnt but people didnt play her the way she was suppouse to be played the reason why birg was made is to help protect the main healer since they were flanked often with no help but brig players decided to use the capablities of brig to dps and even go in front of reinhardt so she got the nerf hammer so she would stay back with the main healer…

i think it sucks, but people abused it a lot … same with miora all tried to dps with her and i think her damage got nerfed to become the lowest output in the game and her healing charges faster so people would heal with her instead of dpsing …

devs are forced to step in when a char doesnt follow its role or it is being abused … if a dps outlives a tank u already know there is a problem … tanks did a lot of damage back in the day thats why the armor was nerfed so they wont be so wreckless, which means less damage … because tanks were going out of their main role at that time …

thats why devs tend to get harsh on things … i dont like the fact that hanzo wrecks her shield with one shoot or two but i do not like the fact of how people use to play her when she was tanky i see a lot of people died or ults wasted, because every brig player thought they were the better dps, the better tank and the btter healer …

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Hack was only a death sentence to heroes who relied on abilities more than others. A hacked Mei? It won’t really do much. EMP was only good when teams were clumped up together. Since Sombra’s ult is very telegraphed, you kinda knew when to spread out.

A huge mistake for sure.

Why couldn’t they buff his teleport instead of buffing his life steal?

Playing around or baiting out DM is very easy to do. I guess players refused to adapt.

Breaking her shield isn’t hard. As soon as she lays down her shoeld, break it then engage her. Or walk right past it.

They only did it to try and stop GOATS. That comp is no longer a thing because of 2-2-2 so there’s no real reason to not revert them.

And it is what made her ultimate good. Now there’s no reason to pick her when Lucio’s ult is way better.

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Except she wasn’t. She was a tank/support. She was strong in close range and weak at long range. NOw she can’t even get into close range.

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Even despite being able to block stuff like that she still has the highest death average of any support

I think its kinda related to how Brigitte s like to dive into enemies ha