Every hero you just named are people you shouldn’t be picking Brig against in the first place Except maybe Reaper to stun or boop him.
Not really. Brig is the most situational support, only really being good against dive. Every other support can be played in a variety of comps. So when Brig is played outside of her strength, her death stat is severely inflated.
Only if it’s specifically for who she should be played against. Death/game is irrelevant when she’s been played against everything and should only be picked against dive.
No, I never said that. What I said was that good players didn’t try to flank or walk right at the back line as Brig—or against her. Because you can’t. In skilled play, if you fight a tank like Roadhog or a DPS like Reaper, you almost always can just hope for a reset: stun and knock away, protect yourself and your allies. If you try to trade straight up, you will lose.
Now, there is room for outplay there. I’ve done it plenty, moving erratically so they couldn’t hit their shot, bring up shield real quick, strike, shield, strike, etc., Duck behind cover real quick, or even move forward into them to throw off their aim. You can sometimes win this way. It requires outplaying your opponent.
You are still quoting numbers from the average yet telling us to look at the argument from a skilled players point of view.
You just dont get it I am done.
Alternatively, they can just ignore her, she doesn’t have the tools to keep her team alive, since all of her healing is over time, and Dive is about killing quickly.
She’s bad in melee now… That’s the problem. She doesn’t have a good stun, she doesn’t have a good shield, she doesn’t have a good self-heal.
While before you ahd to play from afar to kill her, because she was a threat in CQC, now you can just kill her in her range.
Why would she have to be situational though ? Other supports aren’t.
Even Ana can be played in and against Dive.
It is relevant when used to compare heroes, because they’re all played across a variety of comps.
Yeah, but that’s you. No offense, but the individual isn’t relevant when it comes to balancing the game. One has to look at the bigger picture.
I think that rally needs buffs really badly… And that changing how armor in general blocks damage may hit two birds with one stone.
Armor’s damage mitigation got a harsh nerf because of GOATS, but now that role lock is a thing armor needs to be buffed back up.
Armor already blocks a flat 20% of damage vs. beam weapons, why not do that for all forms of damage? The current formula guts pellet damage and doesn’t do anything against burst damage.
Something that would make tanks feel properly tanky and give Brig her own niche would be to make armor hide the wearer’s critbox. Aka if they’re wearing armor, they’re immune to headshots.
And we did. A hybrid hero that’s a mix between rank and support shouldn’t be replacing a dps role too. But she did. Something had to give for her to be balanced and we all agreed she needed changes for 2-2-2.
As I’ve mentioned several times in several threads, Brigitte is very easy to take down as long as you avoid making mistakes. And because people love to nitpick that, I’m mostly talking about basic fundamental mistakes, like missing shots, lacking game sense, wasting a cooldown or being badly positioned.
Brigitte’s kit makes her ideal for punishing things like that. For example, GaiaFirebird is right: Taking Brigitte down 1v1 with Roadhog was easy as long as you didn’t make fundamental errors.
Where? I didn’t see anything he said get proven false by anyone.
Hard to easily dispose of someone who is bubbled by Zarya, can boop & stun you (and procs inspire doing either of those, or just hitting you) & has another healer to help her.
If they ignore her dives only options are to go for the other 3 squishy heroes who have 200hp and 75 armor. Much harder to instakill that then just 200hp. I’m not saying it’s impossible for dive to kill anyone or anything with Brig on the team, but she definitely makes it harder.
Unfortunately not every hero is great in or against most comps. That’s just the way it is. In fact, most or all aren’t. Every hero has weaknesses. Every hero is situational to an extent. Brig just happens to be more situational then the rest of the supports.
Okay but as we just went over she’s the most situational & can’t be played in or against a variety of comps, but the other supports can. If there was a death stat for Brig specifically against Dive we could talk about it, but talking about her deaths while she’s run against everything in the game doesn’t mean much at all.
Well considering Roadhog isn’t someone Brig is supposed to be strong against… that’s a good thing. It’s like saying Widow or Ashe taking down Pharah 1v1 is easy…well, yea.
If the enemy team has Roadhog it’s probably safe to assume they have Orisa. Which probably means they have a bunker-like comp. I definitely wouldn’t pick Brigitte into that or judge her stats off of it. That’s not what she should be picked against.
Appreciate the camaraderie, but it’s yet another salty #DeleteBrig hater. I wouldn’t sweat it. They literally can’t see the data you put right in front of their face and argue purely based on low-level gameplay and the frustration caused by their own mistakes. It’s nothing.
The only one seeming low level here is you thinking you should be playing Brig against Roadhog, McCree, Junkrat, Hanzo, or Soldier lol. Those are all people you don’t want to play her against. She helps her team against dive and not much else. I think you maybe got too used to her having a 500hp shield & crazy self heals.
And Brigitte isn’t the type of hero you’re supposed to play Tracer into. Didn’t stop all the Tracer players from complaining that she was unplayable.
Also, I’m calling BS on this argument, unless you can show me a past post of yours where you suggested someone pick Roadhog to deal with Brigitte after someone whined that she was OP.
Tweaks to her heals, not a complete rework that dumpstered her survivability.
They went too far when it wasn’t needed.
Devs gave us 35% Ironclad, post-rework Mercy and release Brig.
They can make huge mess-ups.
Only if she manages to stay with her team. The whole point of Dive is to isolate the enemy.
Not really, armor is just fancier HP nowadays. 75 armor gets chewed in less than a second by dive, except Winston, but he’s not the main damage dealer.
The problem is, supports aren’t. But Brig somehow has to be. Despite the fact that she could work fine before, without being overwhelming.
Now, after the rework. Not before. She was much less situational before. She just lacked consistency in her heals.
Except maybe Reaper to stun or boop him.