LGBT in Overwatch Mega(y)thread šŸ³ļøā€šŸŒˆ

Well the whole flag thing is pretty annoying to begin with, honestly.

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I guess yeah, you only get the rainbow flag which is an umbrella flag so it might not look as personal.

Iā€™m ok with flags, I donā€™t think theyā€™re essential, but itā€™s nice to kinda have ā€œyour own.ā€ I suppose more marginalised identities need them more in order to feel a sense of community. Though to be honest, I can barely remember what are some of the more niche flags for. I mix them up a lot. I know the main LGBT ones, but when it goes further I lose track. Sometimes if I see them in context, itā€™s easier to remember, but otherwise if I see just a bunch of them, I have no idea which is which.

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Iā€™m actually the same. I have a lot of trouble remembering all the different variants.

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Being a transgender player, i have to sayā€¦

ā€¦i appreciate yā€™all >///<

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When I was at Pax East, the diversity lounge had OW pride buttons/pins, including Tracer and 76.
I ended up donating 3 bucks and took a bi heart.

Did you hear about this little incident about Kratos from God of War?

Apparently, the writer of Kratos retweeted a picture of Kratos wearing a pride shirt, and then people got angry. So he took it a little further and joked that ā€˜ā€™ while not to JK Rowling this, Kratos is bi and the Oracle is a lesbian :slight_smile: ā€˜ā€™

He got a lot of flack from it from homophobes (and I guess hopeful tweets from LGBT community) so he had to go on a tangent and clarify that ā€˜ā€™ I was just joking. Kratos is not bi, he was written as straight. I was just trying to troll and flamebait homophobes, Iā€™m sorry if you took it seriously, I would never queerbait!!! ā€˜ā€™

And then, for a reason, gays got annoyed. And now he is further apologizing for the mess.

Probably shouldnā€™t troll homophobes with fake representation tbh.

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Honestly, if he would say that Kratos is a supporter of LGBT, it would tide a lot of angry people over. That being said, I must find this picture!

He probably should have just left it at the pride shirt. But I get that his intentions were pure and that he doubled down on sticking it to bigots gets my respect I guess lol

But yeahā€¦ Maybe donā€™t suddenly say a character is LGBT when they arenā€™t just to make people mad, even if they deserve to be mad

Oh god, this is a mess. This sort of a thing is the worst to deal with. Obviously the dude is a supporter of the LGBT community, but heā€™s completely uneducated when it comes to it. How to be a true ally. Pulling stunts like thisā€¦ Yikes.

Also, Kratos was imagined as an ancient Greek deity. Like. Being a straight ancient Greek deity is the odd thing to be so bi Kratos would fit right in.

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Man, you should see peopleā€™s faces when theyā€™re like ā€œgay people canā€™t be masculine like the Spartansā€ and you remind them that the Spartans were prettyā€¦ Not straightā€¦ There truly are people out there who think that lgbt people being accepted in society is a recent thing and that they werenā€™t accepted a very long time ago. Lmao

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Didnā€™t Spartans diddle underage boys too? So I donā€™t think we should be citing spartans, or for that matter samurai when referencing gay history.

pretty much. itā€™s still annoying how he went about handling this whole thing, one could argue he did more harm than good since now people are probably going to be more defensive about characters they perceive as straight. it definitely made it easier for them to claim ā€œforced agendaā€. either way, Kratos definitely wasnt the character he shouldve used for thisā€¦

Yeah, the LGBT history is a very difficult topic to discuss, especially as we go this far back. During the antiquity, people didnā€™t really have a concept of sexuality. In the simplest terms, they viewed sexuality as: youā€™re either a top or a bottom. Of course, that dichotomy comes from how people perceived straight sex, but we know for a fact that people didnā€™t really care about genders too much, as they didnā€™t see it as a thing to be concerned about when it comes to sexuality.

Without a doubt, there were people who were 100% straight, but the line is much more blurry when the society these people lived in didnā€™t put a stigma on being with someone of the same gender. Basically the only thing that mattered was whether you topped or bottomed (women and people of lower status had to bottom, for example). Iā€™m pretty sure the whole current stereotyping of topping and bottoming stems from those ideas that bottoming is ā€œfeminineā€ and being feminine is bad because misogyny.

But to not get sidetracked, yeah, ancient Greeks had very different morals and ideas when it comes to how they perceived sex and sexual relationships with minors. Itā€™s obviously not acceptable in any way from our modern point of view and understanding, but to them, it was a part of teaching. Really odd and thereā€™s a lot of theories and writing to explain why they thought like this and even in their time, some major figures disagreed with it so thereā€™s that. Ancient societies had a lot of weird stuff going on that are completely alien to us now.

However, that wasnā€™t a standard all over Greece and it wasnā€™t the only form of LGBT activity. Armies were notoriously filled with men that we would today see as gay or bi and they were all willing participants and of age. It was seen as creating a bond with your team and was encouraged to strengthen this bond to make armies fight harder. Roman army was more or less the same. Soldiers were mostly either in relationships or considered themselves as brothers. It was still mandatory for them to father children however; that was a part of their duty to the state.

All in all, it seems like most of the ancient world considered it a perfectly normal standard to be at least bisexual. If we omit the bad parts (since theyā€™re not the only thing that happened anyway and homophobes love latching onto that and ignoring the rest), itā€™s still a good example to use because some people simply think ā€œBadass ancient warriors couldnā€™t have been gayā€ and ā€œBeing gay is a modern fad.ā€ The truth is, yes, they were and no, itā€™s not a modern fad. Far from it, it even used to be commonly accepted as something thatā€™s just how humans are. And their stories, myths and legends reflect that because pretty much all deities had same sex relationships at least once and the famous literary heroes did as well.

So bi Kratos? If that was an original Greek story about a Spartan warrior turned god, he wouldā€™ve been bi no questions asked.

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Honestly, most non-jokey gay characters in video games ARE masculine likeā€¦ if anything, feminine non-caricature gay men are a rarity, and only Dorian Pavus fits into this.

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Iron Bull the manliest MoFo in DA.

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Western games could use more feminine men. And by feminine I donā€™t mean annoying loud sassy queens, but just feminine men. Thank you.

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They could add Casino or Sanjay but a new character would be great as well.

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So anyway, some information/rumors regarding Blizzardā€™s development has been released, not sure how legit it is but either way:

Overwatch 2 and Diablo 4 are in production. Overwatch 2 was said to be PvE heavy, and was compared to Left 4 Dead. And just to clarify, Overwatch 2 might not be called Overwatch 2, but something else. But Iā€™m guessing thatā€™s it placeholder name for now.

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Oh if its compared to left for dead, omnic crisis anyone? First strike comic but finally in game form?? I actually wonder.