i still think its way too much of a risk. The game is already becoming heavily favored in cc, i dont think it would be wise to buff a character(including bug fixes since those do buff characters or nerf them depending on what kind) with one of the top 3 strongest ccs in the game.
I could be wrong ofc, but honestly not worth the risk. Implement more anti cc, then we can buff sombra and see how it goes.
They just need to fix her bugs and add some small quality of life additions. She still has weird detection bugs. Her hitbox after she translocates is still huge. They should reset cooldown on her translocator after she EMPs so she can go in, emp and translocate out to a better position. Her hack doesnât register sometimes. You can find plenty of bug videos out there.
Honestly Sombra can already deal decent damage. I can Hack and kill a Bastion even with a Mercy pocketing them with one clip, and my accuracy is awful. That said, Bastion has the hitbox size of a Tank with half the health.
So maybe this kind of buff would make up for the setup time it takes to get the Hack, especially seeing as virtually nobody knows how to capitalize on a Hacked enemy except the Sombra who hacks them XD
The Sombra double standard never fails to amaze me, itâs almost deranged.
âŠIn fact can we just call this phenomenon Sombra Derangement Syndrome? Because itâs startlingly common and I feel it needs a proper name.
Well even tho Hack is a CC its diffrent from all others So not buffing a her because of other CC is not really a reason I agree that other heros CC is to strong right now but Sombra is able to counter most other CC with her CC so she would probably even kinda force CC out of the meta (at least a little bit).
And Calling it one of the stronges CC is to much is has the potentiel to be great but normal stuns outdo that by far.
I was just interested in what TheMaelstrom thought
No. Sombra has one of the strongest kits in the game fight now. She doesnât need anything.
Something all of you like to forget is that her whole kit is counterd by >5 dmg and is inconsistand.
doesnt matter if its different from others. Hack is still crowd control, and sombra would just heavily enable a cc meta.
And i am calling it one of the strongest ccs specifically because of its potential when used properly. Would you call sleep a weak CC? no you wouldnt, it much like hack, is extremely powerful, just extremely unreliable. Hack is the strongest cc in the game along with sleep dart, freeze(and anti nade if you want to call it that).
Normal stuns are a lot more reliable yes, but i would rather be stunned for .7s-1s then hacked for 6s, or slept for 6 seconds, or frozen for 1.5s-however long her ult lasts
Youâre repeating the same thing you said before, but whereâs your evidence. A powerful ability is one that improves a characterâs overall power. Yet who would trade their own abilities for hack? Ana wouldnât give up sleep dart, Zen wouldnât give up discord, Junkrat would give up his trap or mine, Brig wouldntâ give up shield bash. Even if you look at only CC abilities, nobody would trade their CC for hack.
And if nobody else wants the ability to hack if you offered it to them, then the ability isnât powerful, itâs weak.
their kit wouldnt work with hack, that is not what their kit is based around. Not to mention zens discord is one of the most powerful debuffs in the game so no one would pass that up. and sleep dart is the most powerful form of cc in the game in potency
Hack is extremely powerful, but extremely hard to get use out of except emp, that is what makes it balanced. Would you call sleep dart weak? no, you wouldnt. Just because it is hard to get use out of, just because it is not reliable, does not make it not an extremely powerful form of CC when it does work and effectively used.
I think everyone, even myself, fails to look at things in the broad picture a lot, i am looking at sombra as broadly as possible. I cannot be the only one who sees buffing hack or sombra as the game is rn to be one of the biggest mistakes that could ever be made.
The problem being Stuns are instand and completely prevent you from doing anything most heroes with a stun can finish there target almost instantly Hack just is annoying because its long thatâs why a lot of people call it stronger.
There is also Hook which has a way better potential then hack for example.
btw. meiâs ult is 6s I think.
hook is one of them yes, i forgot about it.
Sombras hack is strong because of its effect and yes, its duration. It is a 6s 90% stun, would you ever call that weak on any other character just because its hard to get use out of?
Sombra is not underpowered(very buggy yes), she is just way too high skilled to where pro league is just now starting to realize her power. Why do you think sombra just started appearing in contenders matches near the end of the last contenders. Why do you think blizzard are keen on making sombra less about her hack and more about her coordination/teamwork. She was balanced around her hack/emp for an eternity, and now theyre trying to balance her in a different way.
Sombra cannot for the sake of the game, be buffed in hack or in damage until theres more counterplay, unless you do want a heavy cc meta to be enabled, unless you do want tanks to drop in pickrate. If you thought s10 brigitte was bad, a sombra and/or unblockable cc meta where shes reliable would make brigitte look like soft cc
And this time, there wouldnt be a widowmaker/hanzo/pharmercy to be there to save it because all 3 got nerfed(pharah indirectly). This is the consequences of balancing one step at a time, cc is being heavily enabled, and frankly i dont think anyone sane would want a cc user like sombra to become reliable until theres more anti CC.
But, if you cannot see how buffing sombra in reliability would most likely devastate the game as it is rn, i cannot do anything to convince you. May blizzard do it, and i hope for this game that im wrong. But when it comes to meta shifts, im usually not wrong.
sombra is an utility dps, she doesnât need more damage
Well if you would go so far every hero has a 10-second stun they can do its called killing And every hero is better at it then Sombra
Her power was always known no the pros didnât just realize her power it was just way more effective to play someone that can kill This clip is from danteh he is a Pro player and plays Sombra / Tracer:
https://clips.twitch.tv/KawaiiGrossPangolinKippa
She was used as a Surprise pick they just didnât had any strat to counter her thatâs why we always saw it mirrors and we saw her being forced out multiple times in the last games as they slowly found some strats that worked and it wasnât because she was good it was because they didnât had time to think of one.
I didnât suggest any Dmg or direct buffs to hack yes a threshold for hack seems like a buff for it but with as less as 10 - 15 dmg (which was the number I named) it just keeps hack from bracking from small splash dmg and far away (close range weapon) shots.
More speed makes her more useful in team fights without hack or EMP and Visuals make teamwork easier with her she is just way to hard to play with as a Team thatâs why she is hated.
Nerfing EMP charge rate how I said to allow these buffs would make her CC even rarer
I agree on you that buffing any CC would be bad for the game but I donât agree on buffing Sombra would be bad for the game her CC will stay the same while the rest of her kit will get better.
I hope that you understand that as a Sombra main in Plat getting someone the Team to throw just because you pick Sombra is not something that should happen. The buffs I told you above would be more powerful at lower ranks and it would probably more nerf her then buff her in pro play and in that playstyle (which I really hate EMP bot is no fun to watch or to play).
And a lot of bugs is underestamating things: Even more Sombra Bugs in 1.26/1.27/1.28 [With Video's] - #2 by Inky-11160
While you may be able to use that excuse for some heroes, still, if the ability is âone of the strongestâ, then it should be something a good portion of the roster should want it.
Lets look at an example: Storm Arrow. Pretty much every single DPS in the game would trade one of their powers for Storm arrow, whether itâs McCree, bastion, Genji or Pharah. And of course Sombra herself would trade hack for storm arrow in an instant. This is what a powerful ability looks like. Almost everyone wants it, because itâs just that damn good.
Yeah, youâre missing the big picture here. Sombra is the eternal double standard. People say hack is really powerful, but nobody wants it on their character. People say Sombra is great and powerful, but nobody wants Sombra on their team. Her pickrates say sheâs F-tier, her winrates say sheâs F-tier, yet still the myth persists thatâs sheâs somehow good and people want her either unchanged or nerfed.
Itâs the annoyance bias. A character thatâs more annoying will be the one people will hate and want nerfed. Look at when Overwatch first came out. Lucio was by far the #1 must pick, always-pick, but hardly anyone complained about him. Bastion, Genji and Mei were complained about all the time. Why? Because those two were far more annoying than Lucio, even though Lucio had the most impact of any character and was used in nearly 100% of high-level matches.
If you ever want to see Sombra clearly, you need to look past the annoyance bias. Instead of considering a Sombra on the enemy team, consider one on your own. What changes would Sombra need such that you wouldnât consider someone taking Sombra to be a bad pick on your own team?
Well Yes agreed but she needs other buffs.
You know that Discord doesnât disable the enemyâs abilities for 6s, right?
Sombraâs damage is actually fine. Considering she has the best ability in the game, that literally shuts down other abilities. I donât think she needs a damage buff. People just need to learn to actually hit their target.
Pro tip:
Add 10-15% damage to any hitscan hero by aiming better.
But honestly, a small reduction in her spread would do better for her than a straight damage buff.