AI is going to change the world at least on the same scale that computerisation did.
You can sit back and have the mindset of a Luddite - technically correct, but historically useless or you can have the mindset of a Trade Unionist - harness the change to improve the rights and quality of life of workers.
Don’t fight against the technology. It is fundamentally a good thing and change is inevitable. Fight for the rights of workers and creators, because billionaires are gonna billionaire with or without AI.
Ok. Have fun being a funny footnote, just like those people that hated cameras lol.
Imagine not aiming for measurable societal benefits like a universal 4 day work week or royalties-per-prompt for artists but instead just throwing up your hands and saying “Nooooooo! It’s too hard! AI bad! “
Sorry I just fundamentally disagree. I feel like you are focusing largely on just the negative aspects of AI - which I cant blame you, it’s really easy to do. AI has tremendous value once you look beyond the few controversial topics that everyone focuses on. It has the potential to make major breakthroughs in many fields, while enabling people to accomplish things they’d never be able to do with a lot of help.
Once you look beyond the surface of “omg but its just stealing everyones art,” you’ll actually see there’s SOOO much potential. It will likely drive innovation at the same rate as the introduction of computers or the internet. It’s a complex topic and it’s still in its infancy, and it will get a lot better over time.
Will it be abused and eexploited? Sure. But so are computers and the internet. The internet revolutionized our communication and has been the groundwork for so much of our innovation in the last few decades, but it also enables fraud and scams at a level unprecedented before it. We can’t just focus on the bad things that a tool can do and ignore the potential of a technology because it’s unknown to us.
And I say this as someone who actually hates many applications of AI. Despite the parts I hate, I’ve looked at it beyond the comments on forums and reddit and I see the potential it has to offer in so many fields of study, including ways it can help me personally with things I’d otherwise never be able to accomplish.
Your lack of foresight makes you think this is just about art
Oh well, there are enough AI techbros like you that it is indeed inevitable. So I guess you’ll find out eventually.
Apparently it’s not at all easy to do because there are still far too many folks that do not understand the negative implications. Like this isn’t just about art, although that alone is horrendous. Do you not see the implications of being unable to tell if videos, sound files and photos are real or not? That alone is far scarier than any of y’all realise and if you don’t get that then there’s nothing more to say. I can’t understand for you.
“There’s potential!” “There are positives!” “It’s just like the creation of the Internet!” You know what it’s like? Imagine if 3D printers were to take off and could print ANYTHING and everybody had one in their household. They can print medicine. Cures for cancer. They can do so much good for the world! But… they can also print nukes. And then you’d have people telling you to stop focusing on the negatives.
Like I’m sorry but every single person who supports the development of generative AI is just ignorant. That or malicious lol
Edit: Hell, typing a prompt isn’t even necessary. The generation can be automated by AI-powered bots!
Of course. For example some people have different opinions to me about whether or not Overwatch is good and it wouldn’t make any sense to refer to them as an AI techbro
No, I refer to the folks who are excited by how generative AI will turn art into a stream of mindless entertainment content rather than an expression of imagination, skill and human ingenuity while ignoring the far bigger and scarier implications that it has on many other aspects of our society as AI techbros. Because that’s what they are. Have fun with your AI slop.
I go to a lot of EDM shows and many artists are using AI-generated visuals for their shows. Its just the current trend right now. And LE SSERAFIM’s new music is very much Pop-EDM inspired so it doesnt surprize me that they are using AI-generated art.
Problem is, when I heard all the fearmongering about Photoshop 20 years ago, I was a teenager on forums with other teenagers. You know, back then, teenagers were really good with Photoshop. Scary good. Boomers were falling for photoshopped images long before LLMs were a thing.
You cannot possibly convince me that Photoshop + a few hours of training is somehow ‘less accessible’ than the specialised hardware and knowledge that it takes to run an unrestricted LLM capable of generating a fake image of any actual consequence.
Hate to break it to you buddy but basically anyone who works in a corporate job and isn’t terminally-online is an ‘AI techbro’ by your definition. Male or female, young or old.
Im sorry you feel this way. You and I very obvious have polar opposite perspectives here and quite honestly I don’t really have the motivation to discuss this one, so I’m gonna leave it at that since I dont really see this materializing into a useful discussion.
That’s fine. As many generative AI supporters like to point out it’s inevitable. We’re well past the point of no return because the governments of our world are filled with dinosaurs who barely know how the Internet works so there’s nothing to be gained from these kinds of discussions anyway. We’ll just have to enjoy the Internet, and our planet, while we can.
My point here is that we basically agree. It is inevitable. But I don’t think it’s inevitable because I’m some advocate specifically for AI but because that’s literally how it works with every technological advancement ever and because AI is already being embraced by society as a whole. Individual opinions on it don’t really matter - enough people are either enthusiastic about it or at least neutral about it. It’s happening.
There’s no point in screeching aobut how technological change is bad when change is going to happen regardless. It is way more important to make sure that peoples’ rights are protected when change happens. The billionaires in charge of said AI companies would prefer that the working class fight with eachother about AI instead of whether or not the billionaire-class pays artists the royalties that they’re owed, but that should be the focus.
So if you go back and read you’ll find this discussion was not about whether or not it is inevitable, which is something I already said in the beginning, it was about whether or not it is “fundamentally a good thing”.
I don’t really have any interest in rehashing the conversation so you can do that in your own time. We’ve both established that you’re incapable of being convinced anyway.
And as others have pointed out, you can make the same argument about computers or the internet.
I still encounter people (usually older) who - unironically, mind you - say that the internet should be shut down. Because they consume traditional media that only paints a negative picture of the internet. As far as they’re concerned, there are few (if any) positive benefits to society from the internet - it is only used for illegal activities, pornography, business and entertainment. Society functioned just fine without it, after all. They are uninformed and narrow-minded.
Maybe you should examine whether you’re making a similar mistake.
I’ve read the conversation a few times. You can’t decide whether you want to talk about art or some bigger picture that you won’t actually elaborate on, so I have to keep guessing. Almost like you’re moving the goalposts a bit.
I like you, so I’ve actually been trying to engage with you and have an actual discussion with nuance. It’s disappointing that you don’t seem to be interested in that.
I come back and you’ve edited a bunch of stuff in lmao
Gurl your first reply to me was “Absolutely not” get outta here
If I found out that a movie I enjoyed participated in like, animal cruelty or something then I wouldn’t want to support it any further either. So I’m glad you agree.
