Nether grenade or shatter is high skill. Both take the same effort at suzu imo
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The majority of the fanbase that’s masters+ would disagree with you
Thats me. Im masters+ … and any master who thinks nade is harder to land than suzu isnt very good at the game. They both are very ez to land considering have the same splash radius.
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You dare speak the truth in the support hive.
Be ready to be flagged and mass reported
It’s not a high-skill play if you don’t shatter the Kiriko or track her cooldowns.
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dw brother when I used to play back in season 3 I had a 86% winrate with kiri in gm despite never practising her or playing support for 7 years of ow1.
This hero is broken if you’re good at the game and sadly a lot of the player base are blind to this since they lack the skill to fully utilise her and understand how broken she can be.
I would mention my winrate with her and kiri players on here would still try to dispute it and say I’m lying lol.
When I proved it they’d eventually pull out the “well we should balance around all ranks and most of those ranks can’t make her work properly” which is a terrible argument for good balance.
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This is a prime example why the argument is subjective. I feel landing a shatter does not take a lot of effort. At least, not anymore.
To mitigate a “huge” shatter as Kiriko you need to track the ultimate, position away from the ultimate, selectively choose who you want to save from the shatter, aim it, and time it well so that it actually saves them. Reinhardt just needs to press Q when people are out of position.
I am probably watering it down for the Rein just as you are downplaying what Kiriko needs to do… But these are just opinions.
This is also some sort of paradox. If Kiriko’s knifes are easy to land, you should be able to land shots on Kiriko. If you are struggling with her smaller hitbox, I do not believe you are vaguely consistent with that knives. Sorry, that’s just the truth.
It depends on the DPS.
That’s a flaw though because why do you need to track an ABILITIES cooldown in order to be able to get value out of your ULTIMATE.
It’s not even remotely a paradox. Kiriko’s kunai’s have a large hitbox while Kiriko doesn’t
Yes. That’s Overwatch. Every ultimate has abilities that can counter them. Some with much shorter cooldowns than suzu. If the enemy is running a character with an ability that can counter you ult, you need to be cognizant of their position and ability use.
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As if Overwatch is in a good state balance wise
Very few abilities have anywhere NEAR the same ability to counter as many ults as Suzu does because it literally makes people IMMORTAL alongside cleansing them and as if that wasn’t enough it also HEALS them.
The main problem with Suzu is immortality
Like if you want to use the argument that sleep dart counter Genji blade well then that’s because sleep dart’s a SKILL SHOT that requires way more SKILL than Suzu EVER does
Every shield has the ability to counter more ults than suzu. And they’re on shorter cooldowns in many cases and easier to use.
And if we’re talking about just Genji blade, Lucio boop and speed are much more reliable counters than sleep dart. You’re a Lucio player. You know that. 
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Shields can be broken
The way I KNEW you were going to use that example and how I knew how terrible of an example that was. If a Genji blades you ARE able to counter him with boop and speed but most of the time ONLY if he doesn’t blade RIGHT on his target. If he dashes in but is outside of swinging distance you are able to do it IF you are already positioned correctly.
Unlike Kiriko which if dashed upon she can suzu herself on the ground and can then TP to another teammate that’s far away
Also, I will give you another shot at being condescending. I see that you tried it with that emoji and it failed miserably but don’t worry I’ll give you ONE more chance broskie
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Sounds like all you want is press q to win. Reminds me about all the soldier mains who couldnt be bothered to demech a d.va before using an ult and then claiming shes OP back in season 3
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An ability should not be better than an ultimate especially when that ability is not particularly difficult like Ana sleep-dart
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So you think pressing q should be an instant win. Its not hard to bait out abilities…unfortunately that requires game sense which most ow players simply dont have.
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Ana’s nade takes the same amount of skill that Kiriko’s Suzu does. The two of them are functionally identical, with the exception that Nade has offensive utility while Suzu only has defensive. If Suzu was buffed so that it, say, deal AOE damage to the enemy team, it would be just as hard to use and have the same drawbacks you just mentioned. (No longer available for self-defense.)
Keep in mind, that I’m not comparing this within the context of the rest of their kits. Just stating that claiming one ability “takes skill” and the other doesn’t is patently absurd for the reasons you gave.
Okay… so I assume you also complain about hack being able to stop Reaper, Cass, Orisa, Sigma, Ashe, Bastion, Pharah, Torb, Illari, Moira?
Or how Cass’ magnetic grenade can cancel JQ ult?
How Orisa’s spear can interrupt Reaper, Cass, Sigma, Bastion, Pharah, Torb, Illari, Moira?
How Orisa can spin a lot of damage ults?
How Rein can Block most ults?
How Ana can sleep a ton of ults?
How Mei can wall off a lot of ults?
LW grip a lot of ults?
Ana being able to anti Trans, Valk, Tree, Coal?
Sigma being able to shield a lot of ults and eat even more? And he can use his rock to cancel more!
D.Va DMing a lot of ults?
Hog being able to hook a lot of heroes out of their ult?
It’s so funny how people cry about Suzu cancelling/countering ult and pretending like not a dozen other characters can also use abilities to completely negate ults.
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Yes, shields can be broken if mismanaged. Doesn’t mean they can’t counter a host of ults.
You’re the one who brought up the Genji blade. I was responding to you. If you didn’t want to discuss it, why did you bring it up?
And I wasn’t being condescending. I was recognizing your experience as a fellow Lucio player, and trying to equate it to my own experiences. To try to form a connection as we discussed things. I thought we were having a discussion.
But I’m getting the impression you aren’t actually interested in discussing things. You’re just looking for people to agree with your sentiment about suzu and commiserate with you. I’m sorry, I’m not going to do that. I have a different view of it than you.
If you’re just looking for agreement, I’m sure there are plenty of support haters on the forums that will.
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it’s just suzu, and her broken hitbox/ animation.
Supports doing damage is fine. The people complaining about supports doing damage are bad at the game
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The hillarious thing is that even if it misses, it can still jump off the floor to JQ’s leg and still cancel the Ult.
I’m still legit surprised there aren’t more complaints about this.