Just try 250 HP Sym

Which to me is fine, she should have weaknesses.

I’m not worried about RP, I’m worried about the slam+uppercut combo which often destroys turrets with its huge AOE and is too fast for Sym to react to. With 250 HP she has more leeway to fire 2 orbs into him. Plus with 250 HP Sym might actually counter Genji instead of being countered by him. I think she’s theoretically intended as a counter to Genji on principle, but that switches once you start facing good Genji players.

It was nice freezing Reinhardts but I don’t necessarily miss these interactions too much.

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250 HP didn’t solve problems with Reaper or Mei, and it won’t solve problems with Symmetra.

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If you think replying to people like this will get anywhere it wont. If they were to give Sym 250HP then they should also give it to cree cause his hitbox is bigger than hers.

I have no issues with that. That’s what they were going to try a few months ago when they lowered his fire rate on an ExC.

Erm they didn’t get “buffed” to that they always had that. You know who got buffed from 200 to 250? Torb. And it made him good.

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I know we’re both tired of hearing this one, but you should play Doom more imo. I started playing nothing but Doom for a while, and now that I have, I understand how to avoid his slams in many situations using map geometry. I see why they complain about it not working properly all the time, but if you can identify the areas where it doesn’t register properly, he isn’t as much a problem. You also get more of a feel for which slams are going to kill you. Not to mention the nonsense that happens if he uppercuts you indoors so you both randomly slide around the ceiling. Neither of you is gonna know where the other is half the time, so if you can fight him in an area like this, it’s ideal.

Genji, however, I haven’t had issues with since his nerfs. Playing Doom into him also made me much better at reading Genjis movements, which makes right click him as Sym a lot easier.

It was less it’s effects on Rein and Brig and more so it freezing: Hog, Widow, Hanzo, and Doom. Majority of the time, you could wall and Turret Bomb and Ulting Hog and watch the resulting panic. Widows and Hanzos that sat in front of TP for a headshot quickly lost focus and panicked when they realized they couldn’t move scoped/knocking their arrows. And like I mentioned previously, I rooted Doom, making him much more punishable than he already is during RP.

It’s called sarcasm…Don’t know why you felt the need to say this

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Symm has literally the smallest hitbox in the game.

https://i.imgur.com/Z3gJnqr.jpg

Her hitbox is only relatively larger than her visible model.

They could buff her interaction with it, like allow her to return to a teleporter whenever she presses F without needing to be standing on a teleporter.

That’s far more sensible than trying to give such a disparity in hitbox to HP ratio.

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Watch the KarQ video which is much more recent.

Look at Sym, and look at the dps all aligned. She’s too big.

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Satire? (20 charsss)

I have and it’s only more recent because he does a poor job of summarising other people’s work.

The source I linked measured the hitboxes, didn’t just eyeball them, Symm has the smallest hitbox.

I literally posted photographic proof of the measurement comparisons.

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people keep saying this despite all the times symmetra’s ran as an actual dps

if symm being owl viable is a crime then she’d been nerfed ages ago sice she’s still played on some 2cp and koth

i wouldn’t mind any buffs or anything but the anti-owl rhetoric is really bad and often just wrong

KarQ literally provided evidence of how thicc her hitbox is, I still need a yes or no on the satire part

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If any hero has a disproportionately large hitbox it’s Tracer and Zen.

McCree will catch over 60% more pellets than Symm and can fight only slightly further away. Closer if he wants to use flashbang.

What Symm is lacking is mobility, not HP. Symm it a perfect example of a 200HP hero. But a hero like that needs some quick “get out of jail” option. That could be her teleporting to a teleporter from anywhere.

He drew from the same source but OMITTED measurements.

I included measurements.

You’re citing KarQ’s omission of evidence as evidence of… what? Because he ignored evidence then you can say it is whatever you like?

This is childish and desperate.

You don’t like the facts so you lash out with such nonsense as this.

Grow up.

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Proof?

Lash out? Huh? I asked you a yes or no question…Why are you so angry? Calm down and take a breath before you come at someone

What!?!?

It’s literally right there in the image link, it made measurements, that video does not.

That’s it.

You sure did.

Are you accusing me of that to distract from symm’s hitbox not being as you assume?

That’s a yes or no question.

but it isn’t really, it’s an accusation phrased as a question just like you accused me and I’m demanding you deny an accusation which only helps the accuser. Just like you did to me. It’s a really childish tactic, you’re not a clever detective, it’s schoolyard jibe.

And this is called “patronising”, it’s designed to humiliate and demean.

Don’t characterise this as “coming at you” you replied to information I shared with a flurry of backhanded accusations. But it can’t distract from the fact.

https://i.imgur.com/Z3gJnqr.jpg

There it is.

An objective comparison of hitbox size.

Why do you want to die on this hill? You’re investing way too much in Sym’s hitbox when you don’t need to. Her beam is extremely short range and inherently must be charged up, these are very significant limitations, you don’t need to imagine or fabricate other reasons like hitbox.

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You seriously have something wrong with you or you are projecting HARD. All you needed was a simple response and you wrote all this and more. I need to be more careful on who I reply to on here. God Almighty.

But where is the proof karQ has the wrong measurements on his video? I’m patiently waiting

More accusations.

Totally illogical accusations, designed to confuse. They aren’t even supposed to remotely make sense.

No I didn’t need to do that at all.

He never did any measurements. He literally just looked at the hitboxes.

He cannot be wrong about what he didn’t do.

There’s no evidence of Symm having a particularly large hitbox.

No you’re not, this is now the second time I’ve told you this.

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I’d love that to come to experimental! I don’t play sym but many of my friends do. I’d like to see them more happy.

I feel like sym deserves it too. She is ideally a close range hero.

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Based on the statements you made.

Designed to confuse??? LMAO that actually made me laugh. I still can’t tell if your joking or being serious

Okay your joking. But still that was wayyy too much in your last reply.

Well if that’s accurate then her hit box is thiccc af. You can tell by eye sight that her hitbox doesn’t match her body. You really think those marshmellow hitbox legs match her super skinny legs?

Yet here I am

Please do not feed the troll