I never did. But I understand why they do.
Solo tank/support is also just as long or shortened by 1-2min. You basically force a friend to get dps queue time rather than get support/tank queue time from grouping with them.
Again people who’ve attempted this can tell you it barely has an impact. Intuitively it shouldn’t matter much. You’re waiting for a dps slot to open in servers saturated with dps and where dps have a line up. Playing with a tank doesn’t move you up in that line up (or if it does it is close to imperceptible) and therefore you’re going to wind up in the same game as you were if you were solo which means the same wait time.
What you’re snarking about didn’t really work for me OP
Before 2-2-2, I couldn’t use LFG, it was nonexistent above diamond
We did regularly group, infact we almost never queued for competitive with less than 3 players, the team comps were still garbage (it’s not fun when the red team has a 
team and yours doesn’t, it’s bad matchmaking) and the matches often came down to who passed the hero select minigame without their team blowing multiple gaskets
“Just 6stack idiot”
if I had 6 people to regularly play with I’d be in another scrim team, not playing on a broken competitive ladder. I like good matchmaking and so do many people.
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Hana please stop coming into these conversations like you know anything about this game. DPS have nothing to do with why 222 was instated. Saying so is blatant discrimination, and lack of knowledge. Blizzard literally came out with their own numbers saying in their data tanks were played 35% of the time, supports 33% of the time, and DPS 32% of the time. mean ing this “every match is 4-5 dps” is utter anecdotal bs.
On top of all that 222 was introduced as a solution to goats.
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Please source. This is massive if it’s true. Not because it’s surprising - all unofficial stat tracking sources show similar results - but because it proves these results are not due to a ‘biased’ sample set (tho why a tank or support bias would emerge is beyond reason) which is the last hill people who like to pretend +4dps was common like to die on.
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It’s not, you get people who ghost after 1 thing has gone improperly. People who say they can play X but can’t (hopefully role SR will help this).
If you’ve a busy schedule finding people to play with regularly is not an easy task. If I was still 20 and had oodles of free time, this would be less of a problem.
The point of your post is that finding 5 people to group with is similar to finding 1. The amount of people who play this game in a 6 stack is incredibly small, why do you suppose that is?
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Ill be honest I don’t remember the exact source, but I know 100% It was talked about by jeff. Because People used it to show that overbuff was atleast somewhat reliable because it had almost the exact same numbers.
In an environment where people are filling these stats matter less. If I want to play DPS but get a team full of DPS I’m probably not going to pick DPS. This isn’t showing you what someone wants to do, it’s showing you some people will fill if it means not losing.
Give people choice (role queue) and then give me numbers.
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The point was the hypocrisy in saying “just que with a tank” when They complained for a role que when they could just que with others for team comsp they desired.
In my mind Overbuff was made crystal clear as reliable when private profiles came into play. I assumed the worst - that huge biases would appear in the data set. But watching it happen no changes occurred. Like it was insane how little daily (and later weekly and monthly) pick and win rates changed. That’s when I got sold on their data set. If even the private public split didn’t bias their data, I was pretty confident it started as and continued to be a fair representation of the playerbase.
Still wish you had the source. I guess I’ll look into it.
queueing with a tank is not the same as 2-2-2
LFG is not the same as 2-2-2
These are both strawmen, because you take one small facet of what 2-2-2 was aimed at. Zero in on it specifically (like more tanks in your group) and ignore everything else.
Your argument is terrible, duo’ing with a tank won’t help when the other 4 people in my group go DPS.
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Yeah right we all see that with the queue times 
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Took you that long to come with that anecdotal, lame response that doesn’t even address anything I said?
theres a clown here alright hana. She rocks a Dva icon.
NOO, stay out of my queue, go back to your own queue!
Wall please!
It is a proof that your info is false lol cuz the queue times proves what exactly is played.
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maybe 2-3minutes normally more , often i dont play without one, my longest with him has been 26minutes, and longest without him solo queue has been 29minutes
no they don’t. theres a million things the que times can say.
it can say less players are playing
it can say people swapped roles
it can saythe optimal time to play changes depending on role
it can say that players swapped roles.
it can say that most smurfs in the game are tanks and supports and where boosting the numbers.
You really are a clown. theres a million things it can say, and seeing that OW has been on a downward trend since Brigs launch its more than likely the case that there just aren’t as many players anymore.
So it’s:
2-2-2, with DPS players able to queue as tank/support to get (and give other DPS) shorter queue times (and work on other, unpopular roles)
vs
Tank/support players having to find 5 people to play with, either from their friends list which has a lot of people that don’t play the game anymore, or from the deserted LFG feature, just to get a proper game.
Yeah no, soloQ with forced 2-2-2 is much less of a bother for everyone than having to get a 6-stack. See the positive side, you have a longer queue, but the randomness of having a filler/tank/support main is gone.
Actually there’s only one thing it really says: there are much more DPS players than Tank/support players in this game.
The only reason it didn’t show in the time played percentages is because a bunch of them were actually willing to fill, instead of playing the lottery.
I’m also pretty sure those who filled aren’t complaining about 2-2-2, they can play DPS with their minds free now.
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Alright I have to stop you right there
An argument is, by definition, an opinion that is backed up by facts, generally in an attempt to persuade another from their opinion.
There is a massive difference, though, between using LFG to force your 6 stack into 2-2-2, putting your team at risk of getting screwed by Goats, and duo queuing with one other player for shorter queue times and the fact that you can’t see that means you really have no business taking down to anyone.
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An argument by definition has to also be trying to prove a point for a side.
I am not doing that. I am drawing a comparison and showing the hypocrisy in what was said.
the fact that you cant see that shows that youre just a person with a large vocabulary, and no critical thinking skills, and you have no business trying to debunk or break down what I said.
Look at what I said and show me a definitive “side I am taking” don’t worry ill wait.