She should have been a tank from the start. I am sure she wouldn’t even need all these nerfs if that was the case (except healing nerfs).
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Obv goats came about with brig and there has been similar comps since then after 2/2/2 came in… but this new one feels even more boring than before. That fight between SFS and WJ last night on Colosseo that took 160 seconds before the first kill made me actually say “nope” and turned the stream off.
How can it be fixed? No idea. I don’t think nerfing JQ or Brig into the ground is the solution though. Tbh at this point I just want to see the last stage of OWL again where there were interesting comps and way more variation rather than this snooze fest.
I truly hope that when the game is released this isn’t the comp we’ll be forced to play if we want to win 
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If this meta stays till the end of the year, ow2 will lose all hype, rn owl is the only thing you have to see what ow2 will be, and seeing the same meta every match will turn alot of ppl off. I expect a hard nerf or rework at the end of this tournament
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Blizzard can’t launch OW2 with any of the three new heroes being a throw pick. They’re going to be OP, they won’t be touched, and they’ll build the meta around those three until a new character is out. Is it a terrible meta? Certainly. Will they do anything about it? No. Not until the ‘novelty’ factor wears off.
They had an entre month of contenders to see that this was going to be a problem and preemptively balance around it, but what did they do? They ignored it and let it make it to league because “LOOK! THE NEW CHARACTERS! WOW!” Even though you’re 100% correct that everyone will be absolutely sick and tired of this meta by the time OW2 launches, and most of us already hate it. Actually playing this won’t be any fun on live, either.
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But Brig was in a relatively good place for much of 2021-2022. It wasn’t until JQ came along with a speed boost and health buff that made stacking AoE sustain viable. Run Lucio/ Brig in the live game and you’ll be laughed off the server. Run Lucio/ Brig in the first beta and you would have been massacred. Brig was fine, JQ is what enabled this comp of everlasting life.
Funny enough, I tried to point this out during the 2nd beta and everyone laughed at me. I don’t mean this as an “I told you so”, I just wish Blizz had responded quicker with changes. The game isn’t fun when things don’t die, and you get punished for engaging a fight
So you want to nerf shout the only tank ability she has to help protect her team in fights? If that is the case just move her to DPS then
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Sustain per se is not bad imo. But the implementation in OW is horrible. Less control and too much automatic.
And this is why JQ is just fundamentally an awkward hero. She doesn’t really have interactions to tank with, she tanks with stats. And she’ll either have the stats to succeed and be must pick, or she will be a near throw. The kit needs some type of adjustment to give her a true tank ability. Not just “give more health”
Brig hasn’t dominated the game for 4 straight years.
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This is why it’s 
ing laughable that they’ve had so much time to develop her, and what they ended up making was a DPS. Seriously, nerf her health and up her damage output a bit and you’ve got a leech-debuffing reaper.
Their own data proved she isn’t body blocking as a tank. Their own data proved that her only “tank” feature was her shout, which they already nerfed. If they nerf it any more, she’ll turn in to a throw pick.
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‘‘Dominate the game’’ LMAO
She isnt even a good pick below GM, lets not pretend that Brig is some kind of powerhouse outside the 0.1% of the playerbase.
All this ‘‘Beta Brig too stronk!!!’’ echo chamber is based entirely on OWL usage which is the most useless metric in existence.
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wrow its almost as if fat dps cant replace actual tanks!!!
Watch them nerf it more, and then OWL will go back to using Sigma.
Exactly. If they nerf her, she’s a throw pick and everyone will just go back to playing what they were playing before. If they nerf any of the heroes enabling this JQ sustain meta, she falls apart as well. But they’d have to nerf quite a few before people run out of alternate swaps. For example, if brig or lucio were to be nerfed RIGHT NOW, I guarantee you that they’d just swap the nerfed hero for bap. And nerfing dps just leads to a longer TTK because there are still plenty of frontline brawl DPS people can pick, they just won’t be as effective at whittling down the JQ brawlball.
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I think this is preferable to what we have now. The first two OWL tournaments had the most hero variety we’ve seen in years, and now we’re back to mirror matches. It’s really awful to watch, Even if she became a throw pick in OWL, she could still succeed as a pubstomp hero.
She wasn’t used too much in OWL before this JQ meta. It was mostly Lucio+Ana, and even in a Ball+Zen meta where Brig really shines, she was sharing playtime with Baptiste.
I think we agree anyway, that it’s absurd to blame Brig for this meta when she was a middling pick before JQ released.
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As I’ve said before, Blizz won’t touch her or the actual meta in any significant way because she’s seeing near 100% pickrate right now, along with Sojourn. They NEED the OW2 heroes to get screen time, because it validates them taking 3 years to produce 3 heroes. They should just rework queen’s kit to be more solo tank compatible. It’s as if they designed her as an off tank (and surprise surprise she worked really well in tank duos in beta OQ in a 2/2/1 or 2/1/2 comps, and actually was a lot of fun synergizing with) and then forgot they were going main tank only in OW2. SHE needs to be reworked to fit the game she’s coming in to, not the already existing heroes. There’s no excuse, Blizz has had 3 years to figure this out.
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GOATS already showed that you dont stop the symptom picks by nerfing them, you have to solve the disease because otherwise your entire game will apart by the time you are done nerfing everything around said disease.
Nerf Lucio or Brig, they will just be replaced.
I think that Mei needs buffs but Soj/Ashe/Widow need nerfs. The later are the ones that are forcing OWL to use JQ, since Blizz did a really crude but effective work at forcing barriers out.
Specially the Soj buffs since she punishes the use of shields so much that I guess there was no point on using Sigma.
Widow stopped seeing playtime outside of a few seconds at the beginning of certain maps because going in to a 4v5 was a dumb idea, even with sustain. I agree that she’s strong, but not when it’s like this. The true issue is the AoE damage. Genji has basically been a right click spambot because it’s nearly impossible for him to not hit anything when everyone is so grouped up. Yes, the damage isn’t as big, but it’s AoE. Ashe is the same. She’s midline forced frontline due to dynamite AoE. It’s extremely strong because it’s a DoT on the entire team that builds ult fast and forces at least some spreading out if they don’t want the entire team burning. But the most broken here is Sojourn. Not only does she have the 1HKO of Widow and the damage of 76, she has objective/area denial AOE. Denying a push is far bigger value than DoT AoE.
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So does contenders lol.
Goats was the opposing ideal comp to counter double sniper on a fundamental level. Between an unstoppable object and an immovable object they both sat and have caused many stagerring causalities in their wake as those who could oppose them no longer could. Like taking a creature out of an ecosystem.
When Goats was no longer possible, it reverted to double sniper quickly till double barrier rose to that challenge. I think it’s still why you see the occasional Sigma on circuit royal with usually double snipers (or Soujorn, Genji etc) is instead of having these types of comps clash they’d rather mirror or be segmented to certain maps. At least in the OWL setting.
This JQ comp which comprises of Junkerqueen, Soujorn, Genji (Sometimes Ashe, Echo, Tracer), Lúcio and Brigitte have taken parts and aspects of past comps like dive, brawl, goats, hitscan and optimized the most out of it and can adjust to the situation.
Each character on their own isn’t a problem like you said and it’s ok to have something be kept in check (unless it’s Tracer)
Now with them saying fox girl can work in tandem with Lucio’s speed boost it’ll like lead to the 3 new heroes being meta with each other. It’s gonna be a slog to get through till the next heroes come along.
Plus her slide jump gives her good diving, retreat, set up and repositioning.
She can go over it, under it or through it while some characters only specialise in one area to two at most.
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not at all
OWL players are paid to win matches
ergo, characters arent selected in OWL because they are fun, rather, they are selected because they are more effective than the other options available
Sojourn’s entire kit is extremely powerful, more so than any other hero we’ve had, tbh. The only “barrier” to entry with her is that she’s technically not a hitscan. You have to slightly lead her shots. But that’s not an issue for the majority of players. I don’t understand the reasoning behind her kit. Best area denial ability in the game with a short CD, combining soldier’s sprint + bap’s jump in to a short CD ability that makes her basically the best mobility hero in the game, giving her the 1HKO advantage of Widow, despite having a “cooldown” to regain charge, giving her a superior S76 rifle, and then her ult not only has the 1HKO of widow, but it pierces, too. I suggest Sojourn’s official theme song be that “Anything you can do, I can do better” song.
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