People can and do say that about hack, as I said, different players are having different issues with her.
A lot of people struggle with the assassin part of assassin Sombra, and that isn’t hack.
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Sure, let’s remake Sombra to make haters happy. It hasn’t worked any of the other times we tried it, but why let abject failure get in the way of a perfectly good pipedream
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Heck, if I am trying to delete a support, I do not even bother hacking anymore. And I was one of the people who argued it was still viable to hack during the change prior to that one. Hack is definitely annoying for certain characters, but that is not why she has a 100% ban rate. It’s simply not.
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Make her hack be instant , but a skillshot ability kinda like virus… I would MISS her hack animation but that way it would be worth it to hack enemies and also more fair because it would be a skillshot. Make it a skillshot and indeed remove virus (i wouldn’t put it as passive, just make the opportunist 25% dmg boost and call it a day). Add her invisibility with a resource meter like the OP said
Voila!
So whats your solution? To keep her like she is now that everyone hates her? Provide a solution then
Lumin id love to agree with you but sombra mains have to get real here. Everything that isn’t the smg gets on people’s nerves. And we really don’t have a defense when she’s being banned this much.
Number of Sombra reworks during 6 years of OW1 Sombra with 5/6s hack: 0
Number of reworks of OW2 Sombra with <= 1.5s hack: 3
“OMG the problem is hack!”
No it’s really not. The frustrating part of her kit in OW2 has always been how much flexibility they gave her with stealth and damage. The ability to hack WHILE invisible. The massive damage buffs, and introduction of virus. Getting stealth that doesnt break on damage. These are frustrating mechanics because these are the things that allow her to constantly ambush people and actually be scary with no counterplay.
Outside of a small handful of heroes (namely doom/ball), hack has never really had that much impact. Backline supports and DPS often had the ability to survive, fight back, or get peeling long before she could kill you just due to the low damage. Hack was almost always used team coordination ability to capitalize on moments of vulnerability that she creates, but she really wasn’t able to do a ton by herself. She had tons of strong counterplay, and IMO was a much more unique and interesting design that facilitated good teamplay instead of trying to be this solo stealth assassin garbage that she is now. This game used to be a real team hero shooter, no call of duty with abilities.
Sombra players constantly warned everyone that this isn’t what you guys want and that she’d be even more annoying. Somehow, despite this happening, everyone still thinks it’s the problem.
Dude, I’m a sombra main, and I was pointing out that the rest of her kit was one of the reasons people were banning her.
It’s like most of the mains know fully well what’s up there.
Everything that isn’t the smg is hated. All of it. Hack, emp, virus, invisibility, and translocator. All of it bothers people. Some think it’s 2 of those things. Some think it’s one of them. But all people clearly have a reason they hate it. A rework is inevitable and the only way this all goes away is with a ground up rework or devs putting their foot down and saying “she is fine stop”
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This ^^^^^
Because…
won’t do a damn thing.
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Idk I’m just so over talking about sombra. Last rework made me stop entirely with her. And with stadium I don’t really care much for what happens to base Overwatch. Let base Overwatch be a wasteland of heroes who lost their identity and nerf all heroes to a graveyard. Base Overwatch isn’t fun really. So at this point I’ve stopped caring a lot. I just want wacky chaotic stadium fun.
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It honest is the best mode.
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I main tank and support. So, like most of the time I’m not playing DPS. I do like playing Sombra, but there’s no way I’d defend her if I legitimately thought she was a real problem (balance wise).
Truly, Sombra is actually slightly underpowered if anything. The main thing is people find her annoying. I have always personally hated hack and will always hate it.
But that’s the thing. Currently, Sombra is in the best state she’s ever been. Every previous version of Sombra was more annoying to play against. There is no way to rework her that gets rid of the annoying aspects of her kit without literally changing her into a totally different hero that isn’t really Sombra anymore.
I think people just need to deal with it. And if she gets banned, she gets banned. People will eventually tire of it. Something worse will come along. It always does.
When she retains stealth, it’d be impossible that she feels fair to play against, unless she becomes a buff-oriented support imo.
Less stealth time will also be problematic, because she then should receive a compensation so that she can get value without stealth. Then, it’ll be combined with stealth as well.
Stealth can be combined with almost everything and makes it feels unfair. Some people say about OW1 Sombra, but she was half-abandoned at that time. Not completely wasted like Bastion because of OWL, but all-time lowest winrate in comp at that time. She mostly used to harass a noob in OW1 afair.
The only solution that can make stealth feels relative fair to play against is a mobile buff-oriented support imo. It’ll still be unfair, but it won’t be life-threatening and can be powerful enough.
My gripe with hack isnt even the disabling my abilities. Its the nails on chalkboard noise it makes out of nowhere because shes invisible.
Like when a mosuito you didnt know existed suddenly flies 2mm by your ear and makes you jump to swat it. Something harmless but it switches on the fight and flight stress mechanism.
If she had footsteps in invis, at least i can hear it coming from somewhere before the horrid hack noise so im not discombobulated and stressed too much.
Like hearing the mosquito a couple feet away so you wont let it get near your ear this time.
I am pretty autistic so certain noises stress me out, like lip smacking. Hack is one of such noises. At least with footsteps ill know its coming.
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This is an interesting point I haven’t heard raised before. I wonder if it would be worthwhile adding a way for people to individually disable certain sound effects or something. I’m sure that would be a lot of work, but since everyone has different things that bother them I could see other sounds potentially triggering different people.
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Being able to change the hack noise myself would be amazing.
They have colour blind mode to help the colour blind after all.
But i doubt Blizz would ever consider this for audio.
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I explained to you why she was reworked.
Accept the information or ignore it, but don’t come back with that ridiculous argument again!
It’s just that this is a competitive game, and you’re supposed to enjoy the competition here.
Instead, they’re trying to attract casuals who don’t even enjoy this kind of thing.
What data are you talking about? The ones you’re just pulling out of thin air because she gets banned in your matches? That’s not data, those are assumptions and guesses.
Data would be confirmed facts, and as far as I know, Blizzard hasn’t released anything like that!
Regardless, most complaints are aimed at Sombra’s assassin behavior, which, unlike the hack complaints, is actually understandable — because invisibility combined with lethality is simply too strong, especially when one of the original weaknesses of her stealth was removed in OW2 as a “QoL” buff.
Back then, Sombra always had to become visible before she could shoot or hack, along with a noticeable voiceline!
omg lets make it more easier for her to deal damage, and people made fun of me when i said her latest rework was too easy at landing damage.
The majority is definitely upset about the lethality; the hack is annoying, sure, like all forms of CC, but the lethality coming out of nowhere is the real problem.
There’s a reason why the military is so obsessed with stealth technology!
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would hack showing the hacked targets cooldown timers be effective utility?
i feel like thats a lot of information to exploit even for casual players, or make it so they bleed ult charge if you attack them repeatedly.