cause against a good widow, u cant adept u need to hide and hope ur widow wins the duel
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its also the 5v5 environment that made her stronger. old widowmaker was way crazy before 5v5 and even before role queue. its just that back then you had two tanks, barriers, overhealth/sheilds and everyone was stronger.
so even her being super buffed compared to now she was pretty balanced back then lol
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Yep and elo is a comparative thing⌠meaning if your playerbase is degenerating, which it was before ow2, now its in overdriveâŚ
A high elo player today may not have been one a year ago, without having improved at all solely because thatâs side of the playerbase leaving the game in mass
Point being. The average player is getting worse at the game as time goes onâŚ
My complaints with Widowmaker went down dramatically as I have genuinely felt her BS long range kills have happened sigfnicnantly less or not at all.
Her before and after really goes to show how little 70-100m range falloff mattered because there are so few sections in the game that even get longer than 80m to the point where the fall off even mattered. The nerf to 50m for 1shot actually affected very common widow standing spots and pretty much removed the idea of grapple trick shots.
3rd point Havana, I can actually walk out of Spawn without dying to widowmaker when sheâs attacking from castle. You have to actually be at the beer silos to really be within 1shot range. Or how on Busan sanctuary when people get to their rock on their side of the map Widow canât kill you instantly for peaking that corner.
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Until she becomes unplayable the mob will cry⌠if she doesâŚ
Time to cry about hanzo
Mercy is by far more âtoxicâ to the game than widow
spoiler: Master+ Palyers complained about widow way before ow2
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Not how it works buddy, sorry, and every âI am GM, widow is OPâ poster is equally pathetic. It is just a take that does not fall in line with reality. Widow was OP in like 2 patches of OW history. Once with 8 second hook and than 10 second hook, since it offered mobility to engage and counter dives. Since than itâs back to itâs original 12 seconds, there has been introduction of more dive heroes. One dive hero - doom - was changed to tank roster and can thus no longer even be one shoot. Same for most dive tanks now that can not be punished in the same way, making her more team dependent. Furthermore her charge rate was nerfed, her hp was nerfed and last time her dmg range was nerfed. No sorry she is not OP, no matter how delusional you get and how much you try to dictate you are somehow right above data as Iâd you are some actual god or something. Quick hint; you are not. Data can be subversive if not used correctly, but itâs quite streamlined for this game. Above all its correct, it does not lie, it does not act on emotion.
That makes them valid how?
Its not that hard to get to high elo with a good teamstack⌠especially in ow2 considering how exploitably broken some of its systems are.
What rank are u if the systems are exploitable 
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Eh, itâs sorta a yes and no simultaneously.
You can get insane ones that take your head off the second you peek with no prior warning besides maybe a sniper call out, which iirc is also called for Ashe and Ana, if she hasnât fired before. Thatâll basically never feel fun or fair so I never would expect the complaints to really die.
Of course if you get one that barely hits anything and only headshots deflecting Genjis, wellâŚ
Personally? Think Widowâs fine now. The risk of picking her and failing to deliver feels more in line with the potential reward of near teamwipe in 5 seconds at absurd performance. Maybe they should turn 25hp into shield hp, just so super infrequent long range spam damage doesnât force her to reposition, request healing or healthpack hunt quite as much.
She isnât op. Her hp nerf makes her far more vulnerable along with the fall of nerf she took too. She is not OP.
Ow1 it depends on if i was solo or groupedâŚ
Wont give ow2 ranked the time of the day because it has zero integrity⌠its mostly just people trying to overcompensate for adequacy issues now, who dont care about integrity its kind of hilarious nglâŚ
Then it is kind of ironic that you are speaking of structured play having not played ranked ow2.
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Widowmaker being super OP and gamebreaking only affects GM/top500. Under GM people canât play her properly. Check Aimbotzz on Youtube. Top500-rank1 on multiple accounts. Thatâs how a real Widowmaker plays. No, you canât counter her. No one can, only a better Widow.
While using Widow in the example is arguing in bad faith, itâs the right idea. Go Rein or Sigma or such and give your Soldier or Hanzo or such a good way to fight back.
Two characters to take care of one? Yeah, thatâs how you win the game guys, through the super power of teamwork, not through scattering into 1v1 skirmishes all over the place.
Yea, imagine valuing intergrity.
I mean i totally love going 30-0. And the entire enemy team cant get out of spawn⌠makes me feel like such a good playerâŚ
Not like a bully whos being enabled by the biased matchmaking⌠all so i can feel good about myself at the expense of othersâŚ
Yea no thanks
Lmk when u do that in a masters+ game. because Iâve been getting pretty balanced games recently.
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Seemingly balanced.
Just because you cant see the imbalance doesnt mean it doesnât exist.
I was saying the matchmaking system was building one-sided matches a week after launch⌠no one belived me.
Here it is 10ish months later and the playerbase has degenerated so much. Its one sided nature is now on full displayâŚ
A Widow having time to fire two potential one shots before my on shot combo, that would have killed her, can even reach her, when Iâm not even that far away, is not her being better than me in any universe.
More than two shots if I dont notice her before she notices me which is easy to happen due to her having a tiny hitbox and no indication thats sheâs scoped on you.
Oh donât mind me while I leave Havanna third point attacks other exi⌠oh wait it puts you in the exact same area as the more common used exit so I just immediately died again to the uncontestable Widow camping the high ground that gives full view(for the most part) of the attack spawn exit.
Your arguments are in such bad faith lmao.