I love how fun this thread still is.
Personal bias… who do you guys think who gets revealed as gay next? Everybody’s hyping up hero 28. I wanna hype up gay hero 2.
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My hopes on McCree heeheh
Seeing as hero 28 is most likely Hammond, im not sure if making him gay is a good idea lmao.
Now, if I’m going off of heroes we don’t have yet, I’d like this Emre (Ray) character to be gay. Hehe, like a gay, happier version of Joel from tlou.
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Can those of you shipping junkrat and Roadhog please stop. Can’t two members of the same sex just be great friends without being suspect of anything sexual involved?
Nowadays I can’t even go get a coffee with my buddy without people suspecting we are some kind of date.
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Can’t two members of the same sex just be lovers?
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If they have genuine sexual affection with each other and show it, then by all means.
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Now you’re mislabling. They are not confirmed straight. They are only confirmed as interested in the opposite sex.
Only L&G are ruled out, Still plenty of room for BTQS
I think it’s fair to assume the characters with straight marriages as being straight until Chu dictates otherwise, while the remaining cast without any relationship status whatsoever are simply indeterminate.
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Assuming someone who isn’t straight as straight is incredibly frustrating and offensive.
Or do you really think that if a bi person gets married they are no longer bi?.. Their identification just… Goes away?..
If you ask for LGBT at least know what all the letters mean, and how they work.
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If I were to call someone straight who was in a straight marriage, and they were bi, and they told me they were bi, I would apologize and correct myself. Same as if I presumed a person married to the same sex was gay but, in actuality, they were bi.
The problem is, same as generally meeting someone on the street, you shouldn’t be making an assumption at all.
The only acceptable assumption to make is that they are human. (or gorilla, or omnic)
People can be good friends, and that’s a great thing to see in fiction too, but honestly if I saw you at Starbucks showing the same kind of PDA for your buddy that Junkrat shows for Roadhog I might wonder if you were an item, too.
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I wouldn’t really voice an assumption anyway because the real world is complicated and generally has a social contract and things. Whoever you wanna marry is who you should marry regardless of your orientation. I don’t care.
But if we’re talking about fiction, we’re talking about a completely made up entity that doesn’t tangibly exist outside of you opting in to engage with it, a thing where, due to the innumerable qualities of real life that can’t be taken into account during creation, assumptions have to always be made in references to characters, settings, devices, physical laws, etc. for the sake of just basic engagement, until a creator says otherwise. Otherwise, you open up the door for anti-representation folks and LGBT bigots to say that bi representation is everywhere because most characters with straight relationships aren’t specifically designated as such. Don’t give them an inch.
Fiction relies on shorthand. Writers and artists use imagery to stand for wider concepts and implications. Otherwise, you literally can’t engage with it. Even you are displaying this audience behavior by assuming the humans are human! How do you know Soldier is human? Were you there when he was born? Did Chu specifically say that he WAS of natural human birth? No? So how can you claim that?!
You claimed it by using the visage of Soldier’s design as a logical shortcut to deduce as such, because a relatively hairless ape with two arms, two legs, speech capabilities, high levels of dexterity, clothing, etc. stands for “human being” in fiction.
Similarly, if I see a character with a wedding photo and their partner is of the opposite sex, that means “Straight.” It’s not a slight against the LGBT community. It’s a consequence of the fact that fiction has no permanence. The only things that exist in fiction are the things that are claimed to exist. Hence why the orientation of most of the cast is “indeterminate.” They don’t have an orientation until Blizzard gives them one.
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No.
Shipping isn’t inherently sexual but of course that’s what people seem to jump to anyways. Regardless, people can ship whoever they want, who are you to tell them what they can and cannot enjoy?
Boo hoo. I’m not sure what this has to do with roadrat though.
By assuming and stating that all are straight, you’re enforcing and encouraging that assumption.
Maybe those of us who are proud, but wish the loud folks would tone it down a notch, want some representation. We, may or may not have that, and like it that way. You are actually minimizing our chances of representation by labeling the heroes based on your assumptions, and/or demanding heroes sexualities be clearly and outrightly defined.
I’m sure and I know that isn’t your intention.
Edit: As for soldier, he has been explicitly stated as human.
I’m only assuming that Torb, Widow, and Ana are straight because the writers put them in straight relationships.
Tracer is a lesbian, and that was the fair assumption to make before Chu outright said it because she had a same sex partner.
Everyone else is indeterminate, because Blizzard hasn’t said how they roll. They could potentially be straight, gay, bi, pan, asexual, etc. Objectively, they aren’t anything, because any information about a fictional character that isn’t known scientifically doesn’t exist beyond creator declaration, since fiction isn’t real.
Meanwhile, I exist regardless of whether or not all 7 billion human beings know I exist. I have an orientation regardless. Object permanence and all that.
For representation to exist, and to matter, minorities must be declared as existing in a work.
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My point is to stop assuming people in a relationship defines their sexual preferences completely.
Like the others they are still indeterminate, though less than the others.
It’s rude.
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I don’t treat human beings like I do fictional characters.
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There’s never enough beef.
listen, i’m a benevolent soul, so i’m willing to take a break from being directly pandered to so others can get theirs :B
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Isn’t that bi/pan erasure?
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