This isn’t the place to get dev’s feedback anymore.
Dev’s have been paying attention to other kinds of forums when they really need a certain kind of info like the special Pro Forums. (The forum responsible for such a quick nerf of Sombra after she was buffed.)
Aka the forums we are in right now, are the equivalent of Walmart for Food. The Pros Forums are the equivalent of an H.E.B. (Basically Texas version of a Really Good Grocery Store/ Supermarket, aka better then Walmart for Food.)
Again, i see your point and understand it.
But if a topic is that prevalent as it is since the first version of her rework (which is more than 7 months now), then there’s clearly something very wrong and ignoring it will only make it worse.
Sure, but why exists the forum for game discussion then, if we are not allowed to discuss the game in it?
Jeff said hi to me on Friday so I feel like I’m set for life. ![:heart_eyes:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/heart_eyes.png?v=5" ":heart_eyes:")
Are devs listening to our suggestions? Tough cookie to crack really. On one hand there is plenty of evidence they do, lastest example would be Horizon rework. On other it feels like they have “we know better” additude. Case in point Symmetra - reworked second time because of her trashy pick rate. And yet this rework feels like flop, like she never ment to leave F-tier.
Sometimes I wonder if hero bias is present during balancing. Some heroes (those more popular) are left to be overtuned for months while others are quickly “fixed” and left worse than before.
Maybe I am reading into it too much.
we certainly are able to and to their credit I’ve rarely seen even mostly negative criticism deleted even when it’s written rationally. I’m just not surprised where the mercy saga has gone.
I rarely (rarely, not never, and I am a little desensitized and uninterested as well since it’s such a sea) see a useful input on mercy anymore though. There’s a “revert” post up in the “new” section while we were talking about this. 7 months of that doesn’t necessarily mean anything more than people can’t let it go. Loud doesn’t equal right. Mercy main players are a whole different breed really (not negatively, just different I’ve observed) and I’m not surprised that the people who liked how she was just cannot let it go. All other evidence points to her being at least balanced, at which point it’s understandable they can lean back a little and look at heroes who aren’t. We’re finally getting a real “fix” for reins issues that have been part of him since launch, that’s cool and is a pretty good indication they’re listening, but I’m kinda fine with them leaving a character who’s useful but not OP as she is even if her former fanbase feels she isn’t what they remember.
No, it’s not worthless…
but think of it like this…if you came to Leonardo da Vinci while he painted Mona Lisa and you said, she should look better blone, and some other guy says, nah defiantly a red head…but Leonardo doesnt want a blonde or a red head, and he does what he intended.
They clearly value feedback. LFG is becoming a thing due to popular demand as just one example.
OW has a lot more pressing issues right now than Mercy.
Can you imagine the outrage from Sombra / Reaper / Ana mains if Mercy were to get ANOTHER rework before the mentioned heroes were properly addressed?
I’m not saying Blizz is handling the matter correctly - but I’m also not saying they’re handling it incorrectly. Jeff has stated that they feel Mercy is in a solid place and her statistics support that sentiment. Meanwhile these forums get redundant posts on why people feel she’s not in a good place which more often than not are based on the idea she’s just not “fun.”
Whether or not she’s fun should be the last on the list of priorities when you’ve got buggy and useless heroes like Sombra.
No. They just know how to handle herd mentality correctly. They understand that if a Mercy buff thread would get 1000 likes on these forums they should never do it in-game currently. Same goes for any thread that doesn’t offer objectively valid statements or subjective uproar about fairness (hook combo, scatter arrow).
Also if somebody proposes some new features/changes that aren’t going to happen they will never come to the forums just to say “no”. That’s why a lot of threads with objectively bad propositions and a lot of likes don’t get any responses. It’s better for them to just move on from these threads to seek something plausible considering how much material there is to go through.
Granted, yes there is a lot of mercy feedback on these forums, but these forums only count for roughly 3% of Overwatch accounts.
(Based on the trust level counts)
I think you miss the point.
This is not about wanting Mass res back or a revert or anything like that.
As soon as someone tries to explain that Valkyrie is no fit for Mercy and causes only design issues, it get’s 404ed, even if the post is written as friendly as it can get.
One of mine threads was deleted, although i never said anything about reverting her or so. I gave no direct suggestion or so. I just, in a very detailed way, explained all the issues of the current Mercy version (And all which involve Transformation Ult’s).
Nothing offensive, political, no sexism or dev call out’s. I even praised them a bit.
Still 404ed and deleted. Meanwhile another thread with far less value get’s moved to the Mega thread.
It’s the fact that they shot down anything which casues a clean and reasonable discussion, with good feedback.
Only to hide facts.
Well technically, creating threads about subjects that already exist is against the forum CoC. This is most likely why the devs have been merging/deleting the mass amounts of threads created.
But those threads aren’t already existing.
We are not talking about the “I just want a revert” threads. We are talking about highly constructive threads which get 404ed for no reason.
would you rather them reply “we aren’t going to remove valkyrie so stop asking”? Do you understand that may be the response you’re asking for?
Oh my Jesus this is great
This would be just the same answer as the one about her pick/win rate from jeff.
The thing we want is that they acknowledge our concerns.
But they do the exact opposite. Ignoring everything and throwing around stereotype arguments.
So you are saying that unless they specifically address all issues brought up with the change from everyone you are unsatisifed? Because there is a LOT of different people with different issues with what was done.
A well written thread, I’ve had a few posts of mine to do with Mercy suddenly vanish too. It’s a rather unprofessional practice to censor Mercy discussion, whether it’s to use the megathread that’s never actually read, to delete posts or now as you say suspend forum accounts. Mercy’s rework is actually the worst in Overwatch history, and is something they refuse to at least acknowledge didn’t quite go to plan but could address at a much later date. Even acknowledgement would be a positive thing, nobody is expecting something instantly to be done about Mercy’s rework but acknowledgement that they will be coming back to her at a later date would be nice.
The issues, simplified, are always the same.
-Valkyrie is no Ult and boring as hell
-E res is frustrating and contradicting (user)
-E res is frustrating to play against (enemy)
-E res is stronger than mass res
I spoke with a lot and the overall outcome of the conversations was always the same.
We know the pattern what needs to be done to her. But the problem is that the dev’s ignore that.
Ah, this is a good point as well. Becausse her state is absolutly the same as before her rework. The only difference is that there is no difference between good and bad Mercy players anymore.
They contradict themselves with stuff like that which makes many only more upset.
Pros don’t give better feedback though. They give feedback that gives them greater chance at winning. You can’t trust a bunch of people influenced by money to want “balance”.
your feedback is heard and not worthless but you have to give the devs benefit of the doubt that they can see through certain posts. Mercy feedback is all about her being ‘not fun’ now and how she should get her mass rez back, when devs have stated that is never going to happen. They ignore posts like those because they’re just spam at this point. Mercy is balanced atm so she is not their priority, not even the second one to look at, in fact i feel like most of the playerbase sans mercy one tricks are happy with the current iteration of mercy. Ignoring the majority and focusing on minority to balance a hero is a stupid decision.