It seems ok to cleanse anti nade. Both are AoE abilities that are pretty easy to land. But sleep is a skill shot. Feels pretty unrewarding to sleep and ulting Genji or Ramattra only for Kiriko to toss suzu and wake them.
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Why should Suzu cleanse some effects but not others? Should barriers start going “Oh, that would’ve been a headshot? Go right on through!” to Snipers?
(Also, if we want to talk “fair”, is it “fair” that Ana still has Sleep Dart in the first place when every other non-tank had their hard CC taken away?)
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kiriko’s suzu in general needs some looking into. especially how it hard counters some ultimates like rein shatter or junkerqueen ult
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yes, it make sense since being drugged is a status effect
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As a Tankmain I say its fine. I always bait the suzu, just like you had to do to flashbang or other stuns in OW1.
If youre ulting when you know she has suzu, thats on you.
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This. Part of this game is tracking ability cooldowns. It’s kind of on you if you know the Kiriko has her cleanse and you decide to use your ult.
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Some have and some haven’t. Junkrat kept his. Doom moved to tank. I don’t think it’s a hard rule that ONLY tanks can have CC. They just want to keep it at a minimum level overall. Ana sleep isn’t that bad imo.
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I think the cleanse should function like zarya bubbles cleanse. Cleanses discord and anti, but cant take people out of shatter and sleep. Zaryas cleanse is balanced, kirikos is ridiculous
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For the same reason that Zarya’s bubble cleanses some effects but not others?
I don’t even really support the idea but it’s not like we’re being more inconsistent here.
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Baiting suzu? Impossible. Not even top 500 know of this legendary tech. 
You know, as a Support role, you would think they have more directed CC than just a Lucio Boop or Ana Sleep Dart. I mean, we had Brig Shield Stun but that’s long gone.
Yes.
Because from Day 1 of Ana’s release, I thought it was stupid to have an ability that literally nobody on the enemy team can stop once it hits. Hell, once upon a time, the only way to wake up a teammate was for a friendly Lucio to Beat them, but apparently even that was a no-no to Blizzard.
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There is actually a few things that go through barriers, for the sake of going through barriers.
or like sym who gets ammo back, like your whole point is kinda not a point…
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Wait, what? This is the first I’m hearing about this interaction. It sounds hilarious (and actually sort of makes sense “lore” wise. Need to wake up someone asleep? Turn up the volume!)
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…I like to play Cassidy. Cassidy’s ultimate has many counters including D.Va. I don’t blame those heroes for countering Cassidy’s ultimate and need to decide if I want to play Cassidy knowing there is an enemy that easily counters my ultimate. It is not the enemy D.Va’s fault for me insisting on playing Cassidy… 
Back when Ana was first released in July 2016, there was a bug that allowed Lucio to wake a sleeping teammate by Ulting.
The reason was that you automatically wake up if you take damage, and technically, Beat’s decaying shield health was seen by the system as “damage” even if an enemy never touched you, so you’d wake up the moment the shields started decaying. Blizzard patched it out almost immediately, and presumably made sure that all other forms of “overhealth” avoided the same issue.
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It’s pretty standard for supports to be able to undo the effects of bodyshots I think? Like it takes Mercy 2s to undo a Pharah rocket, which is the same tier of skillshot.
If you want something that can’t be undone by suzu, go for a hero with a charged headshot.
Absolutely yes it is fair, particularly because if she cleanses sleep suzu isn’t available to cleanse nade, which is more important
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Yeah, Nade is stupid, too. I’ve been waiting for Blizzard to give us a way to cleanse teammates (aside from Zarya) for years.
Again, whenever somebody tries to tell me that Kiriko is OP because she can cleanse Roadhog, I always argue back that maybe it’s stupid that an ability like Nade only has two characters in the whole game that can undo it.
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Yes. Cleanse is cleanse.
I have no problem with suzu at all.
Counters are part of the game, no matter what Blizzard says.