Were you seriously expecting PvE to be a free update? Even in 2019 people were speculating it would be a paid bundle to gain access to all PvE while the PvP would be free to current OW1 players and paid to new ones.
who said anything about forcing. you act like i said i have a gun to my head. they are making it such that the loyal fanbase has to pay them twice for the same game. and it is the game, as it is an add on to OW pvp not a full standalone OW2.
i dont plan on paying.
why are you simping so hard. what you think that if you defend the billion dollar company you would get something. a gold star prehaps.
yes.
PvE in 2019 was a complete stand alone game. one that could be replayed. as such i had no issue with said pve as it was effectively a new game.
what we are getting is basically permanent archives mode
Genuinely curious, is it just a mere coincidence or did a YTber make a video which sparked some people to also speak out on the forums about it
Because I just realised I have been talking in different threads 
but kept thinking itâs the same one then I just saw there is like 4 similar threads lol
no clue what that is
youtuber, sorry
Smite launched as a free to play and offers a $30 all characters pack. At the end of the day you can very well treat smite as a one time purchase if you want. You have all the gameplay content, current and future, for $30.
I wish more studios did a similar thing. The only two that I know of to offer all character unlocks for a one time purchase are Smite and Brawlhalla.
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I dont think anyone is dissagreeing that the PvE is a complete downgrade from what we were shown. And untill we see the actuall PvE we can only guess on its quality.
However expecting it to be free is stupid. The PvE require developers to make it, and blizard needs to pay thoes developers. So it would be stupid for blizard to spend time and money on PvE only to give it out for free. That would cause the game to fail and shutdown becuase they need the income to keep the servers up and to pay the developers. Battle pass sales and cosmetics alone will not cover the money they put into PVE.
BUT THEY ARE NOT MAKING YOU PAY FOR THE SAME GAME.
Overwatch 1 was PvP
Overwatch 2 PvP is free
they are not making you pay for OW 2 just the new PvE, We dont know if the PvE is good or bad, if the price is high or low, untill we actually see what is in the game.
simp
what are the skins and battle pass for the? they are making money from those. this argument rings hollow.
considering that they canceled the full game they were hyping for years. yah i dont think it is stupid to give something to the loyal fans who hyped the game while being treated like trash.
bull, skins are like 2 to 5 times too expensive for what they are and are endlessly re-sellable. not to mention they are selling pre-existing skins from OW1. say we have 2mill players and about 40% buy the battle pass that is at least 8 million every 2 or 3 months say 3 that is 32 mil a year minimum. business costs are higher than consumer, but that seems like more than enough to cover a building power servers and dev pay.
how is this different from archives? weather? a dozen new enemies? same unrepayable manure?
there fixed your statement there. what 2? all we got was a shop update.
they decided that OW will become OW2 and you have no choice about it. so yah it is paying twice.
also stop simping so hard you NPC
People were fine paying for it before they cancelled 90% of it. Now we get the privilege of shelling out for what used to be a free event in OW1.
Running the PvP part of the game.
How do you know that the PvE is the same as archives? Do you have some secret copy of OW2 where you can play the PvE? We dont know what the content will be, so untill we actually see what it is, there no point in debating if its good or not.
Once again i ask you, what are you paying for in OW2? I have asked this a few times and you never answer it. What are they making you buy in OW2? You keep on saying they are making you buy it again, but what are you buying? PvP is free, only PvE is paid and we knew we would have to pay for it. We can debate all we want about the price of PvE but no one expected it to be free.
lol, how much do you think that actually costs? my guess is somewhere in the 2 to 3 mil a year, including dev time servers, new heroes. as i said before they easily make 32 mil a year.
this campaign had a mission basically go blow by blow from a reported who was too overzelous. and from that it basically was an extra long archives mission.
why are you such a simping NPC though i dont know.
who is debating if it is good or not, it is the leftover corpse of a game. and they are charging full price for it.
i have but you dont seem to listen. by making OW2 a shop update to OW1 i basically payed for 6year exclusive access to the game. i specifically dont say PvP because i got access to archive events and halloween events both of which are pve.
first answer me this how is OW2 different from OW1? there is no full PvE game. what makes OW2 a different game? the fact it is 5v5? because we had bigger rule changes from the start of OW1 to the end of it than that change.
stop using google translate, i have not said they are âmakingâ, âforcingâ, or in any way âobligatedâ to buy it. and i will not be buying it.
but just because i dont plan on buying doesnât mean i cant call them out on it and convince others to not buy it.
it is wrong what they are doing, they are double charging. and you are an NPC defending them.
what PVE? there is no PVE.
you keep saying PVE like a freaking genshin impact level of a game will be coming out over the next 2 years. that is not what you are getting. you are getting a Story mode at best, a joke at worst.
when it was a full standalone game. is it a full standalone game now?
stop simping for a moment and actually answer what i ask you.
What are they charging you for? You do not need to spend a single penney to play the PvP. So saying âThey are double chargingâ Makes it sound like they are making you pay for pvp witch they are not. So once again, what are they charging you for that isnt pve?
They are the same game except its 5v5 and new heroes
Theyâre just trying to make back what they lost when they invested into a failed PvE game. Iâm pretty certain thatâs the entire point of OW2. The PvE they had planned failed and now theyâre going to try to milk every cent they can from the IP until it dies. The current PvE iteration, I expect, is going to be cobbled together with whatever they did have finished.
This community has the object permanence of a frog
Donât you guys have phones?
Itâs not even close to complete. They had to stop development of the PvE because messing with it could cause problems for the Battle Royale side. The campaign is unfinished. The maps are unfinished. Sure itâs much bigger and complex than 3 OW story missions for the same price, but saying Save the World is a complete game isnât totally true.
And divide the playerbase between different versions of the game ?
Because queue time being too long or rank differences being too high are clearly not a problem weâre experiencing with the current state of the game ?
What you want is the cake, the money of the cake and the bakerâs a*s. Overwatch 1, but with a tiny group of players and therefore high ping and very high skill differences between teammates⌠does that sound fun to you ? It doesnât to me. They can do it for WoW because worst case scenario you canât do the late game raid, you still have a stupid amount of content to explore alone (private servers have been proving this for a very long time), that doesnât work with a PVP-only game like Overwatch.
Already in 2019 people understood Jeffâs declaration on OW2 (with OW1 and OW2 PVP being a single thing) as âPVP is free if you own Overwatch 1, PVE is a separate purchaseâ. Even on this forum you can find posts like this :
Skip forward to 2022 and the media is saying stuff like âItâs not clear if PvE will be paid or free content at this point.â (IGN) and, on the content creator side, âItâs almost absolutely 100% certain all of the PvE elements in Overwatch 2 will be paid in some wayâ (Stylosa).
If you have an official declaration to give me, sure, Iâll say I was dumb, but as far as I can see, Blizzard never told us it would be a single game and PVE being part of the F2P game was, at best, a rumor. They told us OW PvP would be a single entity (without OW1 and OW2 having separate servers), which it is, and⌠thatâs it.
If it helps you to sleep at night to think anybody disagreeing with you is a simp, sure.
OW2 IS OW1. They just slapped a 2 on it and expect people to believe itâs a new game.
This argument has always bugged me. I bought Overwatch in October or November 2021, so I had roughly one year of entertainment out of it, before it became Overwatch 2. And Iâm sure Iâm not the only player here who didnât buy the game on release.
as an OW1 player i did need to spend money to play pvp and i did pay for it. there is not OW1 anymore. so i cant even just go back and play that, they converted the servers. so yah since they have converted the servers everyone who payed for OW1 has paid for OW2 PVP.