She was buffed with the removal of Defense Matrix’s minimum range, and despite the dev’s intentions, D.Va’s current pickrate is higher than it wasn’t back in the Dive meta.
I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with defence matrix but I don’t think it should be allowed to be up when you’re firing missiles.
As for the missiles themselves I can’t believe she ever got them. I’d also say that maybe they shouldn’t be able to be used with the fusion cannons because it creates the old Roadhog problem of her being able to dive and get solo picks with ease.
I’m tried of seeing people whine she’s OP and dropping pickrates but giving no actual insight on why they think she is. Turns out I don’t really disagree as much with you as I thought but I don’t see a problem with 2 second defence matrix outside of it being used whilst firing rockets because that’s kind of the equivalent of Rein smashing you with his hammer whilst still having his shield up.
Both of these at once would be disastrous. In fact, Boosters shouldn’t be touched because theyre the only thing that’s remained consistent from launch. If you WANT to go that route, which I believe is wholly unnecessary, you could increase c/d by 2-3 seconds BUT the cooldown has to start on hitting shift. Reducing duration is unnecessary.
Also unneeded. Stop with that.
That’s one with the armour, agreed.
That’s a hard disagree. The rework was not a nerf. It was a nerf to DM and that’s it. Her pickrate went up after that if I recall correctly so no that wasn’t a nerf. It was absolutely not a nerf.
That’s why I wanted flat nerfs that were actual decreases in power level not reworks that just shifted the issue instead of solving it
There is no main tank catagory, or off tank catagory. There is only tank catagory. And what is deemed useful as a tank is going to be META. Plain and simple.
Trying to say “Oh shes an off tank and shes so OP, so you cant compare her to Orisa cause Orisa is a main tank!” is trying to create criteria that excuses her from being compared to other tanks.
She is a tank. The game says she is. The Devs say she is. Shes a tank. The type of tank she is is more 1v1 and spot mitigation. Because she does NOT have high mitigation values, but is mobile and can spot tank, she is more effective in the dive meta.
If the meta was mitigation based (shield walls, or back when rein was king), You would see her pick rate DROP because her roll in regards to mitigation is substantially weaker than that of Orisa, Rein, and Winston.
Wow lol. So you’re saying that Running Winston/Rein and Orisa/Rein and Rein/Winston is anywhere close to as viable as running them with their off tank pairs? Yeah that makes not sense. There are main tanks and off tanks
Next you’re going to compare the supports all based on the healing they do and somehow conclude that Zen is weak. Ridiculous
Are we comparing hp to hp (including armor and shield) or abilities too? Compare apples with apples please. Otherwise you can’t blame me for misunderstanding the point given.
You said he ignored the shields. If you were talking about bubble then that was mentioned. If you are talking about Zarya’s health as 200HP 200Shields then that is literally irrelevant in a fight becasue it does not have damage mitigation. Either way, all the relevant data was mentioned
i am a d.va main and with roadhog i was always stuck at gold but with d.va i climbed to mid plat, she is simply better at virtually everything, suits most team comps ect she is just the superior character but i am still a roadhog main even though d.va is much easier, that said you can make mistakes with roadhog and survive but you cant really do the same with D.va quite as much
So you want the same kind of “nerf” that they did with junkrat (i barely call that a nerf) just a little slap in her hand?.
She need something hard on one side of her kit, either she is a bully tank with a little bit of movility or a high speed tank with a little bit of Dmg having both is was is causing a issue rigth now, because she is just to good at both, that is why she just fit fine in every comp.
Her pickrate dropped with the change for a bit as people acclimated, then went back to the same, and slowly climbed when Moira was introduced. The prevalance of Moira is helping DVas pickrate.
But lets play some devils advocate. Suggest a nerf to DVa that does not break her kit and send her to F Tier. You eliminate her damage, then shes just DM bot with half the DM. You dont have room to take her armor, since the argument as it is is shes only got 300 effective HP due to the crit box. You cant half DM anymore cause its already limited in capacity. You dial back her mobility, and she no long can effectively use MM or her Primary fire.
“Oh but dial back her damage a touch! Like 1 or two points!” Again, what she brings is 1v1 trading. If she cannot effectively do this, she will go to F Tier. It is her current role.
And to be clear, her role in the meta since Trip tank has shifted. It was beefy bruiser, then DM bot, now 1v1 Spot Tank-Assassin.
If the meta favors mitigation, then yes, running two Shield tanks is more useful. The problem with you is youre ignoring a key part of my argument: The meta Dictates which tanks are useful. If mitigation is the favored strat of the meta, than DVa will fall in pickrate. If the meta favored hard healing, You wouldnt pick Symm as one of your healers.
Her kit requires mobility. You remove mobility for damage, her kit does not function. You remove damage for mobility, she is literally the annoying mosquito you can ignore.
I misunderstood the statement as comparing raw hp and then leaving out the 200 shield. If we’re talking about mitigation only then yeah. She doesn’t have as much damage mitigation as D.Va that’s for sure but she can get the power-up to intimidate the frontline.
Zarya takes a lot more skill to play that’s for sure and right now she’s falling behind. I can agree with that.
But lets play some devils advocate. Suggest a nerf to DVa that does not break her kit and send her to F Tier. You eliminate her damage, then shes just DM bot with half the DM. You dont have room to take her armor, since the argument as it is is shes only got 300 effective HP due to the crit box. You cant half DM anymore cause its already limited in capacity. You dial back her mobility, and she no long can effectively use MM or her Primary fire.
No Micro missile while DM or flying. Maybe increase mobility by 1 second. Go from there
If the meta favors mitigation, then yes, running two Shield tanks is more useful. The problem with you is youre ignoring a key part of my argument: The meta Dictates which tanks are useful. If mitigation is the favored strat of the meta, than DVa will fall in pickrate. If the meta favored hard healing, You wouldnt pick Symm as one of your healers.
That’s not how this game works or has ever worked. Main tanks are almost awlays run with off tanks because off tanks have better peel, damage and/or utility
Again you want to compare the tank class completely so let me ask again: do the same for supports. it’s the same exact logic. Zen objectively heals less than the other supports. By your nonsense logic of not considering roles, Zen is underpowered
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OK cool, understandable mistake. Also remember the numbers Squid posted were a Zarya at full charge so yeah quite alarming especially considering that literally does not last
Yes and that’s why I prefered to use Roadhog as a reference for my counter-argument because he’s in a much better spot than Zarya in every way.
Zarya is probably in a bad spot because Rein is. Hog is a good spot because Orisa is. And Rein has almost definitely been mobility creeped. And that’s not by Tracer and Genji who are the same or weaker than when he was meta. It’s not Zen either. So yeah…
Then she cannot Trade 1v1 effectively. She goes to F Tier.
I have to keep repeating this, so I hope youll listen carefully:
IF.
THE
META
FAVORS
MITIGATION
THEN
DVAs
PICKRATE
WILL
FALL.
Seriously, that is not a hard concept to understand. You are so dead set on the idea that DVa is this special tank that is everywhere all the time, regardless of Meta. Lets just spitball an idea here just to make the point.
Suppose they buffed Mei. Hard. Now shes a really high pick of 8%. Would it be WISE to bring Dva? Lets say they introduced a few beam heroes, would DVa be a good pick?
Lets say a new meta pops up that Zarya, Mei, and Symm are ideal picks. Is DVa a great pick?
Im not a psychic. I do not know what the next meta will be. I am arguing, however, the meta will dictate whos effective and who isnt. And Meta is determined not only by new heroes and maps, but also by hero balances outside of certain heroes. DVa’s ability is functional because there is a current meta which favors her. But that has not always been teh case. Remember when roadhog could demech DVa consistently? If that stayed in the game, you can bet you wouldnt see DVa being picked to often currently.
Who does what is based aroudn the entire roster balance. Not just one hero.
Le sigh…
Because Im not just saying “DVa sucks cause she has no mitigation.”
Im saying, quite clearly, that if the FAVORED TRAIT was mitigation, DVas pickrate would be lower. That is the context of how mitigation plays into things. Im not arguing DVa is great cause of mitigation, or bad cause of it, or thats the only thing. I am pointing out that the current meta, DIVE, favors mobility. Orisa does not have MOBILITY. So she is not FAVORED. If the meta favored MITIGATION, and not MOBILITY, who do you think is going to be picked?
What D.Va needs is some competition, she’s the only one to be able to dive with Winston.
She needs a counterpart, another mobile tank.
It’s not like she can’t be countered, it’s pretty easy now with Sombra.
Buffing the other tanks or her counters is not a good idea.
This wouldnt be a bad idea.
Or anything that hurts mobility (brigitte) also is an effective means. Or improve other tanks so that Mobility inst the say be all.
Theres ways to shift things without the “WE GOTTA NERF DVA! SHE TO OP!”
Seriously, ever since Trip tank, every few months these forums scape goat DVa for balance. I mean has anyone honestly considered her pickrate to have increased cause she can eat Moira’s balls, and actually can duel her (unlike winston. His Dmg is to low to be effective.) Im not saying nerf Moira, Im saying theres a lot of things going .
More tanks please more tanks please it’s been 3047844 years