Not my experience. I’ve played against professional chess players, players far better than me in baseball, football, you name it, and I did learn things. I learned what not to do. Watched what they do and studied it so I could know what I should do. I learned from players leagues better than me. This idea that you can’t learn from people far better than you isn’t true.
Baseball, you play same division (until you play in school teams lol but there is a mess) , chess is another matter , since there aren’t real divisions.
But there is one thing you keep not getting, you learned from there since AT LEAST you could play
here meet a master gm (especially if you’re someone like me who play only qp) and you cannot play at all, because is hard to do mistakes when you cannot even go out from spawn.
‘‘cool I learned not to peek on that corner, switch corner hs… switch corner hs, corner finished, ok I didn’t learn a thing.’’
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but how can you play people in the same division or rank in this case if there aren’t no divisions or ranks in quick play in the first place?
There is strong and there is too strong and the difference is day and night.
You can learn much from opponents that are lets say one or two ranks above you depending on how low you currently are but if its more rank, then you can learn nothing as the enemy on their main instantly kills you before you could react with a hero you are only began to learn.
Its the same for AI. There are no competent AI’s in the game hence you cant learn anything in it. The game lacks in slightly lower or the same skillset of players one wants to practice with.
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comp is same stuff as far as I’ve seen from streamings and some friend replay
gold mixed with diamonds master into plat games, smurfs and so on, not that different.
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I mean it’s called “VS. A.I.” for a reason. That’s literally the best mode to practice getting the hang of a character, and then go onto QM for practice against human opponents after you’ve gotten the fundamentals down. How is this even a question?
Bronzes always walk in a straight line infront of a bastion. Masters/GM at least know how to use corners and peek. Which rank of players do you think you can trust to watch your back? Sure as hell not Bronzies when they can’t even watch their front
not all the time it’s not rare but uncommon to get masters and plats or
golds and diamond which is not weird since golds can play with diamonds in the first place
This is the sort of person that rises in ranks, I’d face higher skilled players any day of the week! 
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Ive never seen a misuse of the word “learn” that is more obvious than in this thread.
No, you dont need a challenge to learn. You need challenges to IMPROVE. Thats a different thing. This is reality 101, you cant put a MASTER in X skill vs someone that is learning the basic mechanics and how to use that hero in a Map or in different comps etc.
The learning process comes first (against people of basic to decent skill) and then the improving process begins (against people of good to excellent level of skill).
So yeah no, if you are learning a new hero, you should not face opponents that have 500+ SR more than you. Its counter productive and it will take much much much longer to learn because you dont have the time to observe and react.
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The problem with this is that learning from lower ranks doesn’t actually teach you how to correctly play.
What works in gold isn’t going to help you get better. It just teaches bad habits.
The way to learn is to watch better players streaming, get help with replay reviews or play against opponents far better than you.
As for playing against better opponents, yes, you will get stomped. The key is to not get frustrated or focus on how their mechanics delete you. Focus on their positioning, when they push/fall back, ult usage/timing. Those are all far more important to climbing than mechanics.
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I would understand the frustration if you just wanted to chill on quickplay, but if you want to actually improve… No pain, no gain
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Tbh I would prefer to play against GM and Masters in Quick play even if that means I die a lot. You only get better when you play against better players.
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isn’t about that, is learning little by little , by stomps you learn zero things
and what I will learn from someone doin ‘‘unranked to gm’’? is obvious as the sun a gm will rank up in no time since those lower ranks don’t even know what to do vs him/her
again, stomps teach nothing, also if this is true why all these people go on alt accounts to ‘‘learn a new hero’’ vs noobies or lower ranks? Is better they stay on their main with this logic
no play no learn (when happens when someone is on top tier)
die a lot ok, impossible games with zero chances to play or win no
If you just need mechanical practice learning the abilities of the hero, play an Arcade mode. Once you generally know how to play the character, I think it’s reasonable to play them at your real MMR.
As I said you can learn by doing this:
Or just complain and don’t try to learn 
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You can learn playing against players you have no chance of beating. However, a lot of people aren’t addressing the fact it is a demoralizing experience and doesn’t encourage people to then implement the lessons they have learned.
That’s what you have when you pitch unconscious incompetence vs conscious competence. One side knows how to punish all their mistakes, the other side doesn’t even know they’re making mistakes. You can’t correct mistakes you don’t even know you’re making.
A good analogy is how we learn in school: How fast would you grow to hate a subject if the teacher spent every lesson making fun of you, punishing you harshly for minor infractions, and giving you the worst grades regardless of how much effort you put in?
People learn in a whole host of ways, but we don’t learn from getting stomped into the ground repeatedly, that just crushes the will to learn.
The shrinking player base means this game is currently pretty unfriendly to new players and people looking to learn new roles/characters.
Learning in QP is a catastrophe. It is even worse than trying to learn a new hero at your current comp SR.
This is the reason alt accounts exist because QP is using your MMR so its still going to give you those matchups based on where it thinks you are but you are basically useless and they, while not useless, are not going to be doing anything remotely similar to a real game so learning off of them is pointless. Meanwhile if you queue up comp on a new hero you are basically a thrower for about 40 games.
There is not really a good solution beyond using an alt account to learn new heroes to avoid either throwing comp games because comp really is the only place to really learn a hero.
quickplay dont got matchmaking
& if you’re trying to learn a new hero why are you expecting ez victories lmao what is your logic
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A good widow on the opposite team is one of the best teachers of positioning. It’s a frustrating lesson, but a valuable one (particularly when you start climbing and being out of position is a death sentence even when there isn’t a widow on the other team).
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