If you go into comp unable to play at least 3-4 heroes adequately for your rank then you don’t belong in it at all. This is a game where you need to work with your team for best results. Going in insisting you do X and everyone else needs to sculpt around you is beyond selfiah, naive, and unrealistic.
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It’s true. I’ve been accused of throwing many times based on my hero selection alone. Though the same hero on the same map against the same team comp etc other people don’t have a problem with it and just play the game and go on to win.
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This is true, if they swap for just you then how is their comp going to be effective overall? maybe people just aren’t up to par that match. Sometimes you’l lose to better teams no matter what.
and you have the right to dictate that to others?
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Because there are people that won’t take it as seriously as you… the best thing to do is just to play for your enjoyment as well and ruin their games. Then they’ll realize how frustrating it can be ![:slight_smile:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Yeah we made our switches and went on. I don’t like to blame 1 person ever especially on coms because, i’ve learned that if your gonna lose it wasn’t because of that 1 bad pick.
Well which is it? are you playing for your own enjoyment or are you playing to ruin a specific persons game? Those are two different things.
If everyone takes every loss super hard then they’ll inevitably be let down no matter what as well. I agree with you here. 1 bad pick shouldn’t be enough to lose most games (unless you’re top 1% of the game and then in which case, that’s unfortunate 
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Sometimes you lose just because people are better than you. Actually lost a game where enemy Torb was flanking us all game. But nobody can deal with him because he was a 4500 player that clearly outskill everybody in the game even while messing around.
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I wish i had an ounce of thrower in me/s. I play for fun always, after all it’s as i said a playable cartoon. Still ANY game i play, chess, checkers, water polo, regular polo, jacks, pin the tail on the donkey, i play to win.
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Who gives that player the right to say everyone else must sculpt around em or accept a loss cuz they’re going to play Junkrat into Pharah, Zarya on Junkertown and not change? That’s contemptuous towards your team. You should have some flexibility you’re adequate at. If fun is your goal over winning then you belong in QP. If fun and winning are your goals then comp is for you. You should do your very best to win in a competition or it’s not a competition.
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I’ve been in games where a symm or torb carried the whole team and was verbally abused the entire time.
This directly contradicts your entire argument, people who try to force others to swap are attempting to sculpt them in the same way.
Everyone else doesn’t have to play around them and for a majority of games they don’t.
Junkrat is an amazing character to start as on defense if you are seeking to counter the bastion cheese, if it so happens that there is a pharah then junkrat still brings value to the team actually owo…
Via shield breaking and pressure at chokes and an ultimate that guarantees at least one kill when it’s used most of the time
junkrat may have to adapt to playing versus the pharah though.
No, it’s different. 1: you have a majority v a minority. 2: you’re trying to fit a square peg in the round hole and the team would rather you play the circle peg. Those are entirely different.
I flex for the team and while I enjoy healer and off tank I’ve done a lot of Rein this season to middling success. I’d rather play Rein (who is fun imo) and give it my best when the team seems to need that capability. I don’t feel forced by my team but more compelled as I want to win. Sure, I have the most fun with Roadhog but don’t play him a lot as he needs a lot to work outside of KotH. I make said mini sacrifices in the interest of winning.
Junkrat thing- it’s a weak map for him. There are no hard chokes on it and it’s very open. He’s gonna charge Zarya hard and basically submit to another DPS every time. If he could play another role like hitscan or flanker then he’d be far more useful in this and many other situations.
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I would say most of my losses are from just being out played by better players forsure. I will always accept that. I know some like to find outside reasons other than thyself but where does that lead?
That’s attempting to force a player to play around them vs them playing what they want to play
Then you’re playing how you would like to play, congrats. Everyone is allowed to play how they would like
only at the start and the second and third points are not very open really.
The zarya is going to get charged anyways if she coordinates with a Rein, you will have to shoot the bubbles at some point. This is hardly a guaranteed loss.
but it’s still just entirely up to that player.
Stevo plays a ton of symmetra in sub-par situations but manages to win most of his games because he’s very skilled at the hero he plays.
I think everyone should be able to specialize in whatever they want to.
You missed a lot
I find Rein fun; I find others far more fun. Like I said Roadhog with his hooks is the most satisfying but I don’t play him much as he needs a lot to work.
And, yeah, none of the chokes are rigid like where he excels at say King’s Row. Playing into a hard counter and a soft counter is not wise. Playing them so you can make Zarya a monster is arguably sabotage. You’re legit aiding the enemy team and intentionally.
You need to be flexible for comp or you realy don’t belong in it. I know said players play it regardless and they worsen the experience for everyone else. No one likes them. Don’t be that person.
but it’s your choice to play how you want to play and you’ve chosen to play other characters and that’s fine but players who would choose to play roadhog in situations you wouldn’t are not necessarily throwing
that’s your opinion but I’m saying sadly it’s nobody’s place to dictate that.
They’re not throwing. That term is way overused. But they are definitely not giving the situation their best as they should. And that person could easily fix that.
I agree with you somewhat but I’d argue it’s better to play someone who you know how to play than to play someone you have no idea how to play.
So if people who play small pools of heroes dont belong in competitive then how come someone like stevo is top 500 pretty much every season?
I think that the answer “Just go play QP or Arcade if you want to do that” is B.S. This is a team based game, not a solo player against others, so you need to be willing to do what it takes to help the team if your choice is hindering the team bad. People play these games to win, not to lose. Otherwise, it’s like Vince Lombardi once asked, "If it doesn’t matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score? "
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That goes for everyone but people should have the freedom just to do what they choose ~ w ~