If tomorrow they dont nerf hog

The healing is now a slowly recharging resource, he is getting less healing over time.

It might be less healing if they are both used off cd non stop. But it’s not like hog would constantly use breather every 6s or 8s, whatever the cd was. Now it is so much more flexible to use, missing 200 health? Well can heal that up before going in and still have plenty of breather. Before either he didn’t have the health, or wasted much of the healing and it’s now on cd.

In actual gameplay, it being on a resource is better in almost every situation.

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Here’s hoping they make both of them unplayable and let Winston and Rein be the best Tanks

Even if they deleted both mauga and hog, we wouldn’t be in a Winston rein meta. Maybe in Asia it would be Winston. Here we would prob be back to sigma, or ram rush depending on the map.

How is it less survivability
He has the healing and damage resistance so much more now
And trap is more CC even if its dogšŸ’© so hes more annoying even without the constant take a breather uptime

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It’s about a wash in terms of general survivability. Hog’s a huge ult battery, but he can face tank Orisa all day. On the flip side Hog’s shotgun chunks her pretty good and his ult totally obliterates her.

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I know. I want other changes as well to make that happen lol

Imo, Winston should be permameta above Masters, and Rein should be the same below Masters. How they’d make that happen is beyond me, but I’d love it if they managed it

I don’t think any hero should always be meta. That leads to the game getting stale quicker. With your idea there might as well just be 2 tanks in the game then. The high rank tank and all other ranks tank. While you personally may enjoy that, variety and changing of metas is great for many players.

A big problem in ow1 was how long a meta would stay for. Sometimes literally years. In ow2 the meta has been changing much more frequently, with most tanks being the top dog at one point or another since ow2 came out a bit over a year ago.

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metas always will exists. the problem on ow is that we have to play the same metas for months. also some metas are tooo low skills/effort.

like the mouga meta or double shield

As a general rule, I don’t either. But imo, Rein and Winston are some of the only healthy Tanks. I’d be fine with a Zarya meta too.

It’s just that with Tank there are a LOT of heroes that pretty much no one wants to be meta. Doom, Hog, Ball, Orisa, Mauga. The only Tanks that should ever be meta are JQ, Winston, Rein, Zarya, Dva, and maybe Sig and Ram. Winston and Rein being the healthiest out of all of these.

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Hey, Orisa takes more skill than Zarya and Rein do :ok_hand:

She still guns him down from afar, can gun him down while being immune to hook, and can deny hooks with every ability and deny key healing with javelin

Orisa is still very much a Hog counter, him healing off damage isn’t gonna win the game especially if he isn’t hooking anybody or killing them because Orisa can deny everything from Hog.

Did all those games have a certain grandma?

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Dont all games? Regardless, it had me with using mei/torb/sym/junkrat not fearing any opposing roadhog whatsoever.

This really rubbed me the wrong way when they said this. 7 years and they’re still shirking their responsibility of balancing the game in favor of instead letting it be ā€˜self-balanced’ via counters - despite also claiming that counterswapping is uncommon and therefore putting heroes in the BP is acceptable…

And the whole self-balancing ecosystem approach is nonsense to begin with. If Hog is generally considered oppressive in matches without a Mauga, and therefore may necessitate or at least encourage an enemy Mauga, then this is not a well-balanced experience, regardless of whether or not Mauga’s existence constrains Hog’s WR stats. People don’t play stats. Stats are not the game.