Then the DPS learn how to play. Not the tank or supports fault.
Not complaining. Just lamenting.
They sold the game on the promise of a fun casual, dynamic game that allows for all forms of creative play.
That’s clearly no longer the case. Seems like they decided it is too hard to keep the options open and instead decided to keep taking away options, as a form of tightening the balance. Seems like it was needed. Just sad they couldn’t find a better way.
That is all.
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This is what people said when they removed ‘No limits’ from the base game.
Leave. But you just don’t understand the game enough to know that they may have no choice in the matter. It’s either dramatically unbalanced comp vs balanced comp or dramatically unbalanced comp vs dramatically unbalanced comp every freaking match.
I rather feel like there is structure to a game rather than just 3 snipers and a sym/torb and feeling worthless.
Sorry, but just like no limits, it’s needed in some form.
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I understand perfectly exactly what I get out of the game and I want to be able to switch between healer and dps and tank at any given moment without this functionality the game is worthless to me. I don’t care about the balence at all this sucks all the fun and it will kill the game the same way pruning and forced talents and gear killed wow. I truly hope those of you that would stay for something like this would enjoy it but it kills everything I find fun about the game. I would love to keep playing overwatch but if they think balence is the only thing important to games success they have lost sight of what makes a game good. On the brightside lots of new games are coming out that haven’t yet been ruined hopefully apex legends doesn’t get the full EA treatment now that it’s popular. I’m sure some people think this will be great but I’m not one of them this kills the game for me luckily my friends that I have made in here feel the same and will all follow me to our next adventure all good things come to an end that’s just life I guess. I’m keenly aware it’s much easier to balence the game and it’s thier game and vision but I never thought in a million years they would make this kind of mistake I guess I was wrong.
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FFS. The game is objectively, inherently dysfunctional and contradictory to itself without it. What you want cannot be done. It’s not even about approach, taste, preference etc.
I mean, sure, it can be done without role queue 2-2-2, but I am under the impression you will like the alternatives way less.
If the games not fun the balence is irellivant. Sorry that’s not really a contradiction I have no doubt it will help with balence but it will be a balanced dead game because the fun has left the building.
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It’s not at all about balance. It’s about game having basic functionality, so people who aren’t completely egotistic could get something that’s not constant frustration from it.
OW doesn’t have basic functionality, it’s a dysfunctional game because it has paradoxical designs in place. There’s no contest between functional and dysfunctional, regardless of what one may like or prefer.
This literally has nothing to do with balance. It has everything to do with fun. How do you do this lol
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Casual and Competitive need to be mutually exclusive with this game. That’s been part of the issue from the get go with Competitive Mode. Trying to have their cake and eat it too by attempting to make Ranked Mode both causal-friendly and actually Competitive. Hint: It’s not working and hasn’t since day 1.
I agree with others that 2-2-2 should not be placed into QP. However, bring it on for “Competitive” Mode. Matter of fact, it can’t come soon enough.
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Like I said I hope those who stay and want it enjoy it but this is such a dramatic change that to me games not even close to the same thing and no longer has anyvalue to me. I’m aware than many people like the dumbed down mcdonaldzation of games like WoW I’m just not one of them I preferred vanilla.
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Anyone else remember people complaining about how they are restricting comp and then quickplay to only 1 hero? Hahahahahaha.
Restricting the player base is a good idea. Having too much freedom is what leads to one tricking, people being toxic as hell to said one tricks, private profiles, people trying to be nice and fill then being unable to preform and be blamed for it, very unbalanced balancing, and annoying *** comps to play with and against.
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I did, still do, and let’s not over exaggerate. Other than non-peak hours (between 3am-8am EST), dps queues in WoW are rarely over a few minutes. There is only one spot each for tank and heals, but every group needs 3 dps. Tank and healer queues for looking for raid are actually longer than dps queues because you only need two tanks and four to six healers, leaving 14 to 12 spots open for dps.
Queues won’t be nearly as bad as people think, and if they’re unhappy with waiting for 3-5 minutes for a game, then I guess they’ll learn how to heal or tank.
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I played dota 2 for like 3 years with 130 heroes and 200+ items that can be used by every hero in 6 slots. I always thought that game was totally balanced.
one of the main differences was that none of the heroes were anywhere near as easy as brigitte/moira/mercy/junk/bastion.
the other thing that that game did right over OW is that the matchmaker and ranking system actually worked. I was always at the rank I belonged at, and my teammates were always more or less the same skill level as me. Dota didnt allow you to play ranked until like 300 hours in and it started everyone in bronze. OW places brand new players at 2300-2700. OW MMR system also asks good players to carry bad players, thereby rewarding poor play and limiting good play. It is harder to win in plat than it is to win in diamond. Masters is just meta sluts so it isnt fun anymore at that level tho because its all about breaking the game with brigitte.
OW is still my favorite pvp game ever made. but so many things about their design choices are so frustrating.
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that’s not the samething as forcing 2-2-2. forcing 2-2-2 takes away the entire fundamentally appeal of hero switching.
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Ru roh! Has someone gotten used to picking the brain dead 3-3? Better uninstall if the game actually becomes competitive again!!!
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Agreed. Due to where I live, my ping is garbage on good days (140-ish). If I wanted to play DPS and had to queue for it in QP, I can guarantee that I would take 40mins+ to get a decent match, get a DPS slot, and not have 200+ ping. I’d probably end up with worse ping then I usually do most of the time.
Put it in comp all you want, but please let quick play stay quick. I don’t play a game to stare at the “finding a game” screen for over half an hour, thanks.
i mean dps players have been going through this problem for 8 months. literally our entire role is useless outside of sombra widow hanzo. Forcing the game out of a meta that has literally been killing the game isn’t a bad thing unless you only care about abusing the meta to climb. Imagine if tomorrow a single balance patch got released that made every single tank unplayable or every single healer unplayable unless you wanna lose the game. That’s the predicament dps players have been stuck in because 3-3 and the best option right now without just completely killing off the support category or tank category is to force 2-2-2, since the main problem causing GOATs is that you can actually just stack the utility of nothing but tanks and healers which adds up to be stronger than any dps comp or skill.
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I think the 2-2-2 snippet is causing a mini panic amongst the community for no reason. We don’t have any confirmation that this is going to happen and it’s just an idea. I don’t even think it would ever happen. Whatever news; Jeff not liking or is a fan of 2-2-2 doesn’t mean it will go live. It just means they have thought about the idea and nothing more.
Quite right. People are hanging into the 2-2-2 points of discussion and intentionally leaving outbthebstuff Jeff said about it not happening. The game is not designed for it and would have to be redesigned for every hero to be functional in such anforced meta.
where did he say its not happening? i saw the interview and didn’t he say that the game would be easier to balance and that they think 2-2-2 should be the main way to play?
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