Key word being “Vulnerable” your word. “Vulnerable” means they are at low HP or at a tactical disadvantage. Which is what i said.
And it’s no an impossibility there are plenty of Reaper mains that would probably wreck me 1v1 and how is it backwards?
Reaper is designed to kill TANKS Blizzard have confirmed this many times. If you end up in a 1v1 with Brig what tank are you attacking? You can call him a flanker if you want but Blizzard thinks otherwise.
As an aside, this notion has always seemed off. He’s much better at squishy killing than tank busting. He’s only good against a few tanks. At least in my experience. Your mileage may vary.
For sure, he might have been badly designed for his job.
But that doesn’t change the fact that’s what Blizzard intended him to be.
Just because Reaper can’t kill a particular support which is not what he’s designed for doesn’t make that support OP. He will still Wreck the likes of Mercy, Zen or Lucio if he gets close enough.
Especially Zen since he can’t escape and has huuuge hitboxes.
Blizzard doesn’t seem to know what they intend anything to be.
Correct, but that is what they said they wanted him to be. Whether he fulfils that role or not is a matter of debate.
But my point stands simply because he’s bad at his job doesn’t make people beating him their fault and needing nerfs.
It means Reaper needs help, which there is big support for that here on the forums.
They wanted Sym a support, but now she’s damage. They wanted Bastion to be a defender, as in if you push into him you’re met with damage, but now he’s a “tank buster” after nerfing his damage by more than half at normal ranges so sentry isn’t even meant to kill anything but tanks anymore, Hanzo was a sniper, now he’s a brawler basically, stuff like that.
It seems like if something doesn’t work they rebrand them and that has been the kind of changes people don’t like but they keep doing it. They don’t want Torb a defender anymore, that stuff.
that same logic could of been applied too tracer/genji which she was designed to counter.
dont engage or leave your supports alone vs a tracer/genji
but doing thats too hard. so lets create hard counters anyone with 1 braincell can play.
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Sadly the game doesn’t balance around consoles or have separate balancing, so I don’t really include them when discussing the game. And I used to be on Console myself
I said “death dealing capacity”, not damage dealing. There’s a difference. Brig doesn’t do a great amount of damage on paper, it’s true. The thing is that if you she gets her hands on you, you’re probably dead if you’re anything other than a tank. She deals less trash damage than the other characters, because she’s only close-range, but the damage she does deal usually leads to a kill.
this is false as well, she gets less solo kills than any other tank or dps. That 190 damage combo can only reliably kill tracer, anybody else that she targets will survive if they get even the minutest amount of healing. Lucios nearby? you survive. Ana gets 1 dart in? you survive? Mercy latches on? you kill the Brig. Zen puts his orb on you? you survive. Moira throws a heal orb blindly? you survive. Your team doesn’t even have to try to help you, if you have more than 190 hp you will survive her combo 9 times out of 10.
Supports arent meant to compete with damage dealers in damage. That would make them DAMAGE DEALERS.
Consider this: If soldier could place his biotic field any place, and it had 60 HP/S, and only a 5 second Cooldown, do you think that people would not be upset about that?
Because I get the notion people would be, as Soldier would be directly competing with healers at that point.
The problem with brigitte is two fold. 1) She doesnt even have to be picked to actually have an impact. Knowing your enemy can pick a hero which will obliterate your comp or your choice means that picking your choice is a bad idea and its better to pick something else (lest you easily get counter picked). 2) Her sustain from her shield/HP/armor means that while her damage out put is ‘low’, she can easily outsustain most DPS, along with providing heals. Shes tanky, does consistent and reliable damage, and can heal. Its a lot loaded into a kit.
Imagine if Moira self healed 200 HP/S when she does her primary attack. Her damage is low, but no dps would be able to effectively kill her. They simply cannot do enough damage to take her down. Now reconsider that Brigitte can burst down 50-75% of your HP in a reliable stun, and you just might understand why people arent thrilled about her.
The only reason her kills aren’t through the roof is because the meta is designed entirely around countering her. I mean snipers, Zarya, Rein, Zenyatta… pretty much all of them designed to beat Brig. Also, people are aware at how much Brig dominates, so most don’t even try to fight her up close at all. That’s most apparent in Deathmatch where the main counter to Brig is just running away. You see Brig, you basically just concede the figth and escape.
Great so you can survive if it’s a 2v1, not win the fight, but just survive her opening combo, if it’s a 2v1. If it was a 2v2 then your teammate could easily just do a few extra damage to the enemy and kill them. Why do people use examples of 2v1s to try to show that characters are balanced? If you need to resort to 2v1, then that’s pretty much saying the character isn’t balanced.
Wrong. DPS need a way to heal when thier support/health packs are unavailable. All supports must be weak and helpless and only heal.
No it’s the immense CC that she can dish with relatively low cool-downs, and that the low skill ceiling coupled with the fact that she can 1v1 any flanker an win 99% of the time is bullsh!t.
Notice how I said she has a Low Skill-Ceiling and can 1v1 any flanker.
You better be sarcastic.
ITS F***ING SAD HOW I CAN NEVER WIN AT A 1V1 VS BRIGITTE.
No, I don’t engage her alone.
Yes, she singles me out EVERY SINGLE TIME. No matter how much I bait out her shield bash, SHE HAS IT AGAIN EVERY 7 SECONDS. And her annoying af shield makes it so that I can’t attack her from the front?? Wth??
Tracer and Reaper and Genji should just be removed from the game completely. Absolutely no use if they have a Brigitte on the enemy team.
I get it, but they still have their uses besides hunting down supports. Genji if you play it right is a great peeler is you have a really fast comp. His deflect is a great tool to stop widow shots / buy time for mercy rez and suchs.
True, but again even when you’re not out actively hunting down supports, a Brigitte will usually come down your way and combo the heck outta you. 
Watch your positioning, have a tank with you at all times. Winston, Genji is really good on a brig. Winston can dmg through her shield. Genji can dance around her and try and land headshots.
Which is super easy to exploit using dive however we all knew what happend to dive due to certain character.