Idea to make Kiriko less picked at high ranks but still good

[Peace-12521]

All are true lol

[Myre-11810]

@azure-12584

I’m saying they should restructure her power budget.

They shouldn’t.

@azure-12584

It is a fact that Kiriko has remained one of the most played heroes at top levels and they complain about her constantly

This doesn’t mean anything. look at Tracer’s popularity for the entirety of OW, look at Genji’s, look at the dive tanks in asia. When you get into high-rank, you realize it’s the same idiots whining about the same stupid stuff yet they feel more entitled to have the game balanced their way because they think their rank validates their stupid biased opinions.

I assure you, high rank and high ranking players are not some land of the impartial benevolent gods who only want what’s best for the game. No, the vast majority of them want the game warped around whoever they play so they remain “good”. Interacting with these people too much will give you brain rot.

@azure-12584

I’m just trying to offer a solution so that Kiriko players can still have fun but high level players don’t have to play against her as much.

If you’re so concerned about high level players playing against a character too much, there are other characters you should be campaigning just as hard with your “ideas” to get changed. It’s funny how a damage character can stay strong and prevalent for over 7 years but a support being used “too much” is seemingly an urgent issue that they need to get nerfed/reworked because of.

@Madcap-11935

Only thing Suzu needs removed is the invulnerability

No it doesn’t, not at all. Doomfist has a 4-second knockback/stun that easily combos into death and can be powered up multiple ways to be even easier to hit, suzu is fine. If you can’t play around the very, very tiny window of invulnerability, that is 1000000% a skill issue and you aren’t arguing in good faith at all when there are stuns that lasts at least double and triple it’s time.

@Anhur-11767

sometimes it also randomly saves you against boops or doom punches which is unintentional and seems like an interaction that shouldn’t exist.

Doom’s punch has a cooldown of 4 seconds, thats what? 1/3 or almost 1/3 of suzu’s cooldown. That interaction is acceptable I don’t know how you could even come to the conclusion that that interaction is unfair for DF, absolutely absurd.

[azure-12584]

I’m not saying Kiriko needs a nerf, I’m offering suggestions for a rework

[MindMe-11337]

I’d like to see Shuzu tested as a single target skill. Think this would balance it. Would also force kiris to position better rather than going to do whatever then TP->Shuzu and be safe since it clips her too

[Alex-115536]

@azure-12584

What rank are you, if you don’t mind me asking?

Ah so your rank-ist.

/s

[Alex-115536]

@MindMe-11337

I’d like to see Shuzu tested as a single target skill. Think this would balance it

We sorta have that already.

Zarya. its a single target cleanse and immo (yes bubble is a immo, as long bubble is up, you can not die)

Its not a 1:1. buts its close to what your asking

[Katalin-11260]

@azure-12584

That’s why I said if anti got too powerful

Right, but it’s not an if. It’s just too powerful. Nerf anti first.

[AngryPuckmen-1981]

@Katalin-11260

It was too powerful, that’s why Suzu exists.

Not exactly no, ana dipped in and out of relevance a lot. She was easily focused fired or dived on, and nade is just another projectile at the end of the day so tools like barriers/dm could just prevent it from ever landing.

A strong tool for sure. But overtly over powered no. Definitely needed some tuning going into OW2 tho, the cooldown and uptime were nessecary.

[Icarus-23795]

Or maybe you can just gitgud instead of trying so much to completely cripple her just because simply baiting the fn suzu is too much for you

[Katalin-11260]

@AngryPuckmen-1981

ana dipped in and out of relevance a lot

She was hard meta for like 6 years.

[AngryPuckmen-1981]

???

Nope, she is popular on ladder for sure. Being that sniper/support style character.

but like relevance meta wise she would go up and down depending on whats being played.

Like I said before she is easy to focus fire, dive, and or isolate. do to her lack of mobility. And the fact if you shove a barrier or dm in front of her. She kind of just can’t land anything.

And in many cases your team would be better suited with a lamp, or always up damage boost, the occasional speed boost. If she can’t live long enough to be usefull, or in comp where she can’t land anti-nade/sleep most of the game. Then like she has basically no use that another support couldn’t also provide.

[SilentSword-1192940]

Forum Ana is different from actual Ana. Forum Ana hits every sleep dart every nade hits 3-4 people. She is impossible to dive because of 100% sleep dart and weapon accuracy one shotting the lobby left and right. ML7 is basically a bronze 5 scrub compared to forum Ana

[azure-12584]

How many times do I have to say I’m not advocating for nerfing her, I’m saying to rework her. And I’m not the one complaining about suzu, I’m saying to change it because it’s harder for lower and average ranks to get value out of her and pro players constantly complain about her.

[Seiba-11783]

As a Kiriko main i’m all for nerfing the extra healing suzu gives on cleanse but nerfing it’s primary use which is cleansing status effects would make Kiriko dog poo.

[Alex-115536]

@SilentSword-1192940

Forum Ana is different from actual Ana.

Who would win a 1v1.

Forum Ana vs forum Kiriko?

[SilentSword-1192940]

Draw. They just kill each other every time