Believe it or not, in most of the athletic community, it is unacceptable to trash talk opponents. Athletes in nearly every sport outside of the NFL and NBA can completely destroy their careers with a single comment, most major sports organizations impose fines and/or suspensions on people whose comments are out of line.
No, it has nothing to do with “competitive edge.” If you can’t win without using your opponent’s dead mother against them, then you haven’t earned the victory– and wanting to take a win you didn’t earn makes you sound a lot like a loser to me.
And no, it has nothing to do with being competitive. Personally, when I win at a match and feel a sense of achievement, it’s because I respect my opponent, and I know that they were a tough competitor to beat.
If you think your opponent is garbage and you treat them like garbage and then you win, well, congratulations. You stepped on some trash. If stepping on trash is what you have to do feel good about yourself, then, again, you sound like a loser.
There’s a reason that most of the global community views the NFL and NBA as lowest-common-denominator gladiatorial spectacles–it’s because they are.
No. Trash talking is spreading negativity, if MJ did it he was wrong to do so, his talent or acheivements do not exclude him from doing whatever he wants he is still a human being like everyone else. Having respect for each other is vital is making progress towards being a better civilization.
So they’re the lowest-common-denominator sports…because they allow some trash talk? The rest of the world is really this soft? And don’t act like the example I gave with Garnett and Duncan’s dead mom is what all trash talk in those leagues is like…most trash talk is like a simple “you can’t guard me” or something similar to that
And when E-sports are recognized as legitimately as Basketball, I might be inclined to agree, but for now, it’s not out side of the Gamer Community. While we, as gamers can look at someone in professional sports and say yes they are in a career in sports. Other people look at us and see… Men/Women Children who have yet to grow up. So no until we’re on equal footing as the rest of Sports, we need to rise above the pettiness that they assume we naturally already have, if we want to chance to prove E-sports as a legitimate “sport”.
Trash talking is fine IMO as long as you are doing it in good humor. If at the end of the day you still shake hands and be friendly to everyone else, trash talking is fine. As a general rule, the more you know that person, the more you can trash talk them.
For example my duo and I participate in some insane bouts of trash talk, and call each other absurd names, but at the end of the day we know the other person is just being over the top and that he doesn’t really think that I’m “The worst hitscan to have ever disgraced this god forsaken game”.
The issue starts to come in when people start trash talking people they have never met before. If someone in a random lobby tells me that I’m bad at Lucio and that I should quit the game or whatever, I’m gonna get a little upset because I don’t know if they’re being cheeky or just being a jerk.
This goes for the competitive scene as well, an example from OWL would be the interactions between Muma and xQc. They talked major smack about each other (which xQc famously took a bit too far) but at the end of the day, even when one of them crossed the line the other shrugged it off because they knew that in the end neither really meant what they were saying.
Honestly… I talk trash almost every game, no joke.
But heres the thing, I actually ask in the beginning of the match “y’all tryna talk some trash?” more often than not, people on the other team jump in and play right along… and me asking seems to show that theres no true ill will behind any of it.
Now occasionally some people are straight up like “no” or “please dont” and that’s pretty much that. It’s funny because if I jump right in and start slinging insults without actually asking… the result is often much different and everyone assumes I really mean what I say.
There is no reason to disrespect others, just because a famous person does it, doesn’t mean you should do it, this is what most of us call the “Ad Populum”.
Some people just want to play the game because a lot of us have already had a horrible day, and somebody talking down on you shouldn’t and never be common place, learn to have some decency, even if you don’t know the person, it can go a long way, you don’t have to agree with the person, you don’t have to like the person, but atleast treat them the way you would want to be treated. Most of us already have cruddy lives, why worsen it for others?
as Zenyatta said in one of his lines “Hatred is not strategy.”
Because it’s a great Idea to let jerky kids be jerks without getting in trouble for it. Seriously bud, did you read what you said after you posted? That’s a terrible idea and I hope you are trolling.
Face to face smack talk carries a risk of repercussions, online does too in the form of being reported and silenced or banned.
Smack talk without some risk isn’t even smack talk anymore. Being that’s sort of the entire point. You also sort of need to be at the peak looking down or it doesn’t come off as smack talk, it looks like whiny baby level of hater move.
This is what everyone online seems to forget. Some random gold SR player trying to smack talk anyone else in gold, while being in the bottom 60% of the player base. Errr ok.
Talking with zero risk? Wow? It’s just strange to me as a person who played real life sports that anyone bothers with it online past just jokes.
It’s just supposed to be a dumb bonding experience like guys trash talking on the blacktop or cracking jokes at the barber shop. These guys aren’t going to go anywhere or do anything with their bball career, but in their own little circle the trash talk is a fun little thing to fill in the void. Yeah sometimes things get taken too far, but the guys trying to police bantz makes gaming a more boring place in my opinion. The couch on GDQ wouldn’t be as fun without Paddy talking bull and being dumb and he gets tempered by the more serious announcers that actually ask about what the speed runner is doing on stream. Gamepro getting banned for his Crash 2 rant is a classic and if trash talk like that is wrong I don’t want to be right. He should’ve been banned, but I don’t want the mindset that produces that rant to ever be neutered.
Michael Jordan trash talked players he knew
and played with everyday, all of which are adult men.
The 24 year old Genji sweatlord in my Competitive games berates children, talks vile sexist garbage toward girls and talks bogus race theory when he isn’t angry…
Yeah, not the same thing…
Yep. Then they elevate it later to “team bonding exercises” like hazing because “That’s how we did it in my day!”
News flash: It’s not your day. It may have profited gaming companies to tolerate bratty behavior when only the brats were buying their games, but now they’re mass media sold to millions and marketed as family entertainment. (Overwatch is rated T for Teen, by the way, not M.) Manchildren who want to pretend it’s 1982 instead of 2020 are a very tiny minority of the gaming community.
No, we don’t need people in the game being jerks. Jerks don’t spend enough money to make Blizzard profitable. So adjust your attitude, join the 21st century, and stop pretending that toxicity is a virtue.
To be fair I think trash talking is accepted in most E-Sports, last I checked in with OWL they would trash talk in interviews and they (OWL) seemed to love/encourage it to some degree for that “spice”. I will say the trash talk wasn’t that Spicy but it’s there, think it’s really in the games that trash talking is persecuted so harshly.
Edit: but even in game trash talk only gets you in trouble if others report you so it’s really up to who is being trash talked
People like drama period, but they don’t like it when the drama is directed at them. This is why people enjoy watching boxers argue during press conferences or watching people pummel each other in general or hopping onto Youtube to watch their favorite streamer in T500 talk garbage. A lot of people are mean and vicious in general. There’s a market for it and I think it’s more fun and interesting when people can embrace it. When I see a fat Filipino guy jump up and down across a stage just because he beat an old Daigo in Street Fighter and just completely disrespect him that’s an interesting story than a nice handshake and departure. I don’t really talk to people in general because I’m very antisocial so if they did away with it it’s not like it effects my social experience, but I just think it’s an overreaction to say we got to do away with it.
I’m not a nice person and I find it amusing when someone drops a joke at someone’s expense. People just take it to annoying degrees sometimes. I don’t report people ever. I’m not bothered usually by what people say or do. I’m dumb in that regard. I think that Milko guy advertising his little video about Samito is dumb, but I don’t bother to report him. I think he stinks up the front page with his videos and breaks the rules and should keep it in game, but it’s harmless enough and I just can’t be bothered. Either way, I’m rambling like the old guy I feel like I am and enjoy the odd, aggressive banter every now and again.
