I just don't feel devs are serious about having all heroes viable anymore

Ya it looks like another hero that will be buffed to F-tier. Sombra has some use but now really all of these changes have made her worse overall it seems. It is bastion all over again.

What are these supposed Sombra nerfs ?

I honestly think they don’t really care that much. They tend to sit on obvious issues for months or longer and then either give token nerfs/buffs or do something few if any people asked for.

I’m not sure if Sombra is will be in a worse spot than before.
She can still disable passive abilities, got a smaller spread and a faster hack which is pretty sweet.

I think she is in a better spot than before, even with the upcoming nerfs, but she will probably become not as viable as Tracer or Soldier 76.

Again, what are these nerfs?

Sombra nerf is here:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/sombra-nerf-when/32081/17

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The smaller spread is ok but her damage is still low. The faster hack is huge but the going on cooldown is a huge nerf to her in team fights. People also forget she got another nerf to get those other buffs. She will be getting her ult way less often now.
I think she was more useful to a team in her previous form. She will be worse at getting off hacks in a team fight and won’t have her ult near as often. She will be much better in 1v1 situations but she still is a terrible duelist and tracer or genji would be superior for that role.

Did those videos include match results? Please at least think about the meaning of the words you read.

PS: the reaction to the Sombra nerf is heavily overblown in my opinion, but I agree that Mei, Bastion, Doomfist, Torb, and Symm could do with attention.

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Heroes like maybe Reinhardt?

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They said they didn’t want all heroes to be viable in all situations.

But the fact that specialists who can literally do one or two things are out-picked by generalists in every circumstance shows how either strong the latter are or how weak the former are.

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She was C- Tier at worst, just because she’s not useful on every single map doesn’t mean she’s garbage, same way her having some decent counterplay to hack doesn’t make her useless.

This is a perfect nerf for her, she can still do everything she used to do, except for hack spamming until you force a reload or they miss, which was incredibly cheap and frustrating.

You can still hack someone from behind while they have an incredibly short time period to stop it while disabling their entire kit if successful, you can still provide good sustain for your team by hacking a pack next to point, you just can’t be an idiot while doing it.

Im not saying its an easy job, Im sure its super hard and taxing. However…with that being said, give me a month and I could have the game in a better spot. Guaranteed.

I would select a small council of people from the forums who actually have good ideas (because, although there are very few, some people here have fantastic ideas) and we would fix the game balance.

I have lost faith in them. I dont think they can balance the game themselves. They clearly need a 3rd party.

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I personally feel that their definition of viable is different than some other peoples. I believe they create some heroes with the idea that they will be swapped to in specific situations, maps or team compositions and they never intended for them to be used 24/7. When certain people in the community want to discuss the viability of heroes they talk about pick rates, while Blizzard never intended for all heroes to have equal pick rates.

…then I’m not sure why you’re complaining.

Absolutely. Reinhardt is not as viable as he used to be, and you know what? That is a healthy thing for the game. I can bring Reinhardt on King’s Row and Lijang Tower and do well, but if I try and bring him to a map with loads of high ground surrounding the payload (Gibraltar, Blizzard World, Hollywood), then I’m at a significant disadvantage. Counter-play is a healthy thing and map metas are a good thing for the game too, it shakes things up.

A lot of Reinhart players also play Orisa (and all the other tanks too).

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Thanks thats…nothing lol.

The other side of the argument is than. Why bother making those heroes in the first place. You put all that work and time into said character. Where they end up basically never used. Rather than using the resources to make a character that can be used more.

More and more of the new characters half the time end up being rip off’s of others. Or in Sombra’s case, people rather use someone else, they would work better off. She annoys one side too much. Where it screws her up anyway.

Another thing is this. I don’t want any hero not viable. I want Torb, Sym etc. to be usable. I don’t want characters nerf into the ground because they counter my main. That’s stupid. But it’s really hard to balance everyone.

Literately to balance every character, at every tier. There would need to be multiple different setups. Things like Sombra’s hack doesn’t have X cool down when interacting with Tracer. But when Engaging against Reinhardt, it has different conditions.

There’s no magic answer to everyone. Any type of change, big or small. Affects X group of people/characters. Tanks and supports are annoying affected by Sombra. While Tracer and the other mobile character mainly don’t care. Do you want another reason why people don’t play a tank or a support in your game. Do you want Sombra to be able to counter Tracer and the like easier? This is what the devs face all the time.

This is exactly what most of us want. The problem is some of the tanks are situational. Some aren’t though, you could just bring winston and Dva to Kings Row and you can bring them to Gibraltar. They are viable everywhere.
I am not making this a nerf them thread just pointing out some hero’s are viable in every situation and these so called niche hero’s don’t ever outshine them in any situation.

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Well the alternatives are objectively weaker, there’s no reason to downgrade. I play a lot of Orisa too, between them I have 99.9999% of tanking base covered. It’s rare I feel i need to roll out Winston, rarer still Rein or Zarya.

Those are niche heroes for me, with no niche.

The same applies to Sombra, and frankly too many other heroes.

That’s nonsense. All heroes MUST be viable, or that’s a failure on the devs’ part.

What they said was they can’t make them all viable in every situation on every map against or in every comp. And that’s fine.

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I have to say also, the mind boggles that people still dont see why Winston and DVa are not ‘niche’ while the other tanks are.

Mobility is king, and DVa/Winston are just a shade overtuned. Its simple, and has been simple to see for months on end.